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Post by bakudon on Mar 30, 2014 13:12:26 GMT -5
I tried the plugin, but it ran unplayably slow, so I don’t see it being good for much else than taking screenshots. I’m not running low-end hardware here either. Also, it refused to do full screen – wonder if this is a feature?
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Post by Bobinator on Mar 30, 2014 15:27:16 GMT -5
It just amazes me that the emulation community has done the DS, Gamecube, and even the Wii so well, but they can't do N64 emulation doesn't run at incredibly slow speeds or have tons of graphics glitches. It's only a few notches above the level of Jaguar emulation, and that's sad.
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Post by ReyVGM on Mar 30, 2014 20:12:49 GMT -5
I tried the plugin, but it ran unplayably slow, so I don’t see it being good for much else than taking screenshots. I’m not running low-end hardware here either. Also, it refused to do full screen – wonder if this is a feature? I have a quadcore and it runs at normal or below normal speeds. That can always improve as the plugin gets more optimized, but unfortunately, the market for people that want their games with hyper HD texture pack smooth graphics is much bigger than the ones that want a pixel-accurate one. This guy, HatCat, only released this plugin with the correct resolution after I bothered him about it. There's just not a lot of interest for N64 emulation with "original" graphics. This same plugin was stripped of the filters and released as another plugin called Softgraphics just so you could play at faster speeds. Like I said before, I posted about this here because it would help for the articles, screenshot-wise. It's best to either wait to get a faster computer, or wait for MESS or CEN64. If you entered the link I posted you would know why it doesn't let you go full screen. If you want a bigger screen, then you have to download the original plugin this was based on, which runs at a improper resolution of 1280x720. Or download the SoftPlugin, which lets you change the resolution at will, but it doesn't have any of the filters (but it runs faster). It just amazes me that the emulation community has done the DS, Gamecube, and even the Wii so well, but they can't do N64 emulation doesn't run at incredibly slow speeds or have tons of graphics glitches. It's only a few notches above the level of Jaguar emulation, and that's sad. That's for two reasons: 1) N64 is notoriously hard to program for, and thus, emulate. The N64 has a lot going on at the same time and it's almost impossible to make it run in conjunction without causing issues. 2) It has to do with the origins of N64 emulation, Ultra HLE (high level emulation), lack of documentation and how everyone just followed the same plugin path since then. And thus, emu authors just took the easy way out and hacked everything to work. DS is emulated well, yes, but Gamecube and Wii are not. Those two are also plugin based and it's more about hacking the games to work and less about emulation. Rough example, if you take a SNES ROM that no one has ever seen before and you load it on a SNES emu, it would work right away, because it is emulating the actual console and thus, it should recognize its own games. But if you take a GC or Wii game and load it, it would probably not work or be very glitched because that frankenstein of an emu is not properly emulating anything. They just add per-game hacks to make them run. The reason why you can play most GC or Wii games is because most games already have hacks to make them run (usually with enhanced graphics). It also helps that the GC and Wii are pretty much the same console and both hardware are based on popular and easy to work components. And like I said on a previous post, I'm talking about proper emulation, not visuals. If you're talking about how emulated GC/Wii games look like the real deal, then yeah, they do. But if you are talking about emulation, then no they are not emulated well.
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Post by derboo on Jul 24, 2014 4:08:33 GMT -5
Finally got around to try this. It really is astonishingly accurate. Comparison Time! Left to right: Old (don't remember which) plugin, capture card image, this new plugin: Runs at 3-10 FPS on my computer, though, so you won't see me replacing all the N64 screenshots on HG101 anytime soon. EDIT: Looks like Mission Impossible is rather on the slow side, and in some other games it's more like 20 FPS. Still too slow to be tolerable...
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Post by ReyVGM on Jul 24, 2014 10:41:07 GMT -5
By the way, you can always use any faster plugin you like to play the games, save state, and then switch to this plugin to take the screenshots.
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Post by alphex on Jul 24, 2014 17:46:35 GMT -5
It just amazes me that the emulation community has done the DS, Gamecube, and even the Wii so well, but they can't do N64 emulation doesn't run at incredibly slow speeds or have tons of graphics glitches. It's only a few notches above the level of Jaguar emulation, and that's sad. The last time I played around with N64 emulation, which was either on a 350 or a 700 MHZ PC, it ran at perfect speed. Granted, some texture glitches here and there, but no speed issues. So I'm really puzzled as to why it would run slow, or be so horribly bad. Surely the Saturn and Dreamcast are worse off emulation-wise?
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Post by ReyVGM on Jul 24, 2014 20:20:33 GMT -5
Because you were using an HLE plugin, which is not accurate or indicative of how N64 games looked.
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Post by PooshhMao on Jul 25, 2014 3:45:03 GMT -5
Kudos to the devs which remind us just how butt ugly N64 graphics were
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Post by ReyVGM on Jul 25, 2014 9:49:41 GMT -5
Games with bad N64 graphics were butt ugly. As in the Playstation.
But games with good N64 graphics looked great. Mario 64, Banjo Kazzoie, Donkey Kong 64, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Sin & Punishment, Turok 2, All Star Baseball, and many others still look good and don't have that heavy blurry effect most devs used.
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Post by Dee Liteyears on Jul 25, 2014 17:04:16 GMT -5
That makes me wonder? How good is the PSX emulation actually? Every time I try to use a PSX emu once in a few years, I feel like I'm to stupid to setup all those sucky plugins correctly. Most of the times I give up before I get anything running without any complications. I'm glad the Saturn Emulator is so frickin simple to use. And it even runs most of my games with decent speed. Considering my lousy Centrino Duo powered laptop this bordered on a miracle when I tried it for the first time.
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Post by ReyVGM on Jul 25, 2014 17:15:31 GMT -5
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Post by ReyVGM on Mar 13, 2015 20:46:14 GMT -5
By the way, version 5 of the plugin has been available for a while and I somehow missed it. But it has many improvements since the last version.
I updated the OP with a download link and explanation of the new options.
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Post by bakudon on Mar 14, 2015 2:57:10 GMT -5
Is it any faster?
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Post by ReyVGM on Mar 14, 2015 13:44:11 GMT -5
A little bit. If you want it to go faster you can disable the filters. But a pixel-accurate plugin will never be as fast as the other "prettier" plugins.
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Post by derboo on Mar 14, 2015 13:55:50 GMT -5
I don't even find them prettier. Low poly, low detail textured games look ugly as shit to me when rendered in high resolution.
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