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Post by dskzero on Sept 29, 2014 8:54:08 GMT -5
Clive Barker's Jericho. It's an awful, repetitive game, but the Rome stage pretty much is worth the entire game. It's also visually imaginative and the characters are extraordinarely well designed. Shame about the ending and lack of a sequel.
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Post by akumajobelmont on Sept 29, 2014 8:59:07 GMT -5
On the theme of Zelda, Twilight Princess is my favourite in the series, and the first to hold my interest. I couldn't STAND Ocarina for the longest time, and then Twilight Princess came along, and suddenly the series clicked with me. I think it gets an unfair rap. It's a great game, and opened me up to the rest of the series. I don't know what was so different about it's first 4 or 5 hours that kept my interest in a way the others didn't, but all I know is after that, I got over that initial slump with ease in the other games:)
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Post by ZenithianHero on Sept 29, 2014 9:38:33 GMT -5
A lot of 3D Sonic games. From Treasure Hunting in Adventure 1 and 2, Heroes is my fav 3D Sonic with my favorite zone settings to date. Secret Rings is brilliant and an early Wii game that thought outside the box for motion control but learning curve and motion accuracy hindered the game. Haven't played much of Lost World, but I'm leaning towards "it isn't that bad".
PS2 Castlevania, while level design sucked (SotN design in 3D plain) I found the combat fun and played the games with the bonus characters and everything.
Evergrace. I liked it, from its soundtrack and the bizarre equipment/puzzle system. It has stiff combat and not much of a looker, but it is part of its charm to me.
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Post by shelverton on Sept 29, 2014 9:38:45 GMT -5
On the theme of Zelda, Twilight Princess is my favourite in the series, and the first to hold my interest. I couldn't STAND Ocarina for the longest time, and then Twilight Princess came along, and suddenly the series clicked with me. I think it gets an unfair rap. It's a great game, and opened me up to the rest of the series. I don't know what was so different about it's first 4 or 5 hours that kept my interest in a way the others didn't, but all I know is after that, I got over that initial slump with ease in the other games:) Yes yes YES! I completely agree with this. I loved Twilight Princess, and after that I could finally sit down and play Ocarina because I finally "got it" or something. I still think Twilight Princess is a better game than Ocarina, but I completely understand that Ocarina is a more important game cause it was first and everything. Another game that gets more and more hate is Secret of Mana. I am shocked. People tell me that I only love it because I played it when I was a kid. But no, just no. I will defend Secret of Mana til the day I die, and I still think it's an excellent action RPG.
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Post by moran on Sept 29, 2014 10:20:51 GMT -5
I've had the opposite effect with Twilight Princess. Its my least favorite of all the Zelda games I've played(I've never played the CD-I games or Skyward Sword). I find it to be quite a slog to play and truthfully I haven't even finished it yet. It bores me and kind of turned me off on the Zelda Franchise.
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Post by The Great Klaid on Sept 29, 2014 10:23:23 GMT -5
You guys know what it's going to be right? I mean come on. The only thing I can level against Legend of Dragoon is that it's really derivative. Well that and parts of the translation. And it really could have had abilities or something.
First off, what JRPG isn't derivative as all hell? Secondly, while there a lot of stupid lines, once again par for the course at the time, overall I followed a lot of it better then most other JRPG made up until that time, and the whole story is so cool. I really love the episodic aspect. It actually kind of reminds me of something like Elric or Conan, where you have a big side story that puts the heroes one step closer to their overall goal. And thridly, combat... I have a really hard time defending. It would be Dragon Quest I level if not for additions. Which I always felt were enough to engage me all the way through. And the overall lack of magic works thematically, which is kind of odd for a JRPG. Also, it actually features useful attack items, so it gets a pass. It's like a D+. The soundtrack is also so cool. I'm not very good at talking about music, but it has this neat woodwind feel to everything, and really makes everything feel very, exotic. And actually, to this day may be my favorite thing about the game. The world of Endiness feels very alien. It gets more and more so, Basil starts out feeling very much like any medieval town that you'd recognize in an RPG, but even Kazas feels off with it's Magiteck aesthetic. And it keeps going on from there, and by the end you really do feel like you're exploring the cliched ancient ruins of a forgotten technological age. I'm sorry but I still love this game.
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Post by alphex on Sept 29, 2014 11:09:08 GMT -5
Mega Man X7... and Mega Man 7, for that matter. Mega Man X2 and X3 as well, come to think of it. For whatever reason, a lot of the Super NES Mega Man games seem to get a lot of hate online, which I don't understand. I think Mega Man 7 is possibly my favorite classic-series game after 2 and 9, and X2 and X3 are really really awesome and challenging. X3 in particular is a huge favorite of mine; I love the really dark metal soundtrack of the Super NES version. Overall it has a more... foreboding tone to it, than the other X games do, which I really like. When it was released, X3 was usually rated to be the best X game so far, so it's kinda weird how it got somewhat of a bad rep over the years. It's not as good as X1 or X4, but it's definitely a very good game. Same for X2. I'd defend X5, and I'm on the fence with X6 - it's an unfinished mess at times, but at other times, it's hinting at something spectacular. It's a huge shame it was rushed out the door, but I enjoy it a lot more than X7, and also feel X8 is really overrated. Classic series 7 and Gameboy II are absolutely defense-worthy, though, with no comparisons needed. As is ZX Advent, which also got quite a bit of a bad rap. Does Quest For Glory 5 get shat upon? I suppose it does thanks to its switch to 3D, but I really like that one as well. Also, Sonic 3D. I really like it for what it is (which is not quite a Sonic game). Final Fight 3. Return Of Double Dragon. Streets Of Rage 3. Fighting Force. Pretty much all the later day beat 'em ups.
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Post by Bobinator on Sept 29, 2014 11:16:43 GMT -5
Here's another one:
Sonic games. At least, from the Genesis era.: There's been this movement, lately, across the internet, where people keep saying the Sonic games aren't good. I know that there's some people here who feel that way, and you know, fine, you do you. I do want to say that, personally, the way I see it, while they may not always have been perfect, there's nothing about them that makes them bad games. The way I see it, they're pretty revolutionary games that were doing things that platformers just weren't doing before, from having such a focus on physics, to having that moved as fast as it did, among a lot of other things. I really would say they're all very well-crafted games, and I'd still say Sonic 3&K is one of my favorite games of all times.
I know for a lot of people, saying "Sonic was a good game" is hardly what one would call an earth-shattering revelation, but I think it still should be said that there's a reason that a lot of people still enjoy these games.
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Post by PooshhMao on Sept 29, 2014 11:17:28 GMT -5
Another game that gets more and more hate is Secret of Mana. I am shocked. People tell me that I only love it because I played it when I was a kid. But no, just no. I will defend Secret of Mana til the day I die, and I still think it's an excellent action RPG. Same here dude. I fucking love Mana. The sequels, not nearly as much. It is pretty broken though; the magic casting exploit totally destroys the challenge of the game since it allows you to stunlock every single enemy (very last boss excluded) and magic them into oblivion. Out of curiosity, what are the people who hate Mana holding against it?
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Post by The Great Klaid on Sept 29, 2014 11:20:15 GMT -5
It's boring as all hell. Mostly because that stupid charge up thing, but there is no story as far as I could tell. It felt like I was just running from place to place smacking things, then someone would say something, and I'd be off to the next area. I've never figured out what that game was about. Bobinator I didn't realize that the hate's finally backwashed against the Genesis games. Which is really odd, because S3&K is so good. I'm sure no one will agree with me, but I think it's the best platformer ever. @the mega man conversation X5 and X6 really feel unfinished. I've never played X7, but I really don't like playing those two, and I enjoy the X series more then most. Or really more than classic Mega Man. They just feel so rough and just not very fun to play.
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Post by alphex on Sept 29, 2014 11:25:38 GMT -5
I much prefer Seiken Densetsu 3 due to its faster pacing, but the two previous entries are very good games as well. Especially considering when they were released.
How can the series get much of a backlash going, anyway? It's not like a new generation of gamers discovers the games now, thanks to their sequels. Or did the recent Mana games actually inspire people to pick up the originals, and then compare them unfavourably to the sequels?
@klaid: X5 felt rather short, but it's nowhere near as unfinished as X6. X6 has placeholders and obviously "wrong" level designs in place, X5 just has some filler (Whale stage!), that's it. It's still a very fun game. I'd personally rank them 1 > 4 > 3 > 2 > 5 > 8 > 6 > 7
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Post by elektrolurch on Sept 29, 2014 11:28:15 GMT -5
E.T. for the Atari 2600, off course. It is a highly original effort and can be fun to play. And I hate how it is regarded as one of the worst games ever AND one of the causes for the video game crash, which both is total bullshit from my point of view. On the note, i would always defend the 2600 and 7800, also to a lesser extent the Lynx, as very good systems.. The 2600 library often gets a bad rep, while it has a lot of good,easy to pick up and play games.
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Post by wyrdwad on Sept 29, 2014 11:35:15 GMT -5
I tend to like a lot of black sheeps -- Castlevania 2 is among my favorite Castlevania games, and Zelda 2 absolutely *is* my favorite Zelda game. Mario 2 is one of my favorite Mario games as well, but that one is pretty well-regarded -- people are just mad at it for not actually being a proper Mario game. The one that I think most qualifies for this topic, though, is Bubsy. I freakin' LOVED Bubsy as a kid, and never understood why everyone hated it so much. It's not spectacular or anything, but the stages are all so colorful, so huge and well-designed, that they were a blast to explore. And while the one-hit deaths were a little cheap, the controls were spot-on, to such an extent that careful traversal of the stages was really all you needed in order to stay alive. Sure, it was no Sonic, but it was pretty much the next best thing as far as I was concerned. I also can't say I loved it, but I never got the intense hatred for Deadly Towers. As a kid, I found the game highly impressive for its crisp, detailed graphics and catchy music, and I enjoyed exploring its labyrinthine halls. I only ever managed to beat one boss and burn one bell -- but since the evil plan could only go into effect if the bad guy had all the bells, burning one bell should've been enough to stop him, so I was satisfied that I'd saved the day and fine to put the game down there, while still thinking relatively highly of it. -Tom
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Post by The Great Klaid on Sept 29, 2014 11:38:23 GMT -5
I'd be a fool and a liar to argue with alphex but I just don't enjoy playing it much. Levels don't feel as much fun, and that stupid timer thing still makes no sense to me. Also, I don't know many people who really bash the 2600 except people who just instinctively hate retro games. But then again, I've met people who say DOOM is hideous, but can play 2600 games. The only reason I've never really gotten into it myself however, is because they're far to simple most of the time. I've got pick up and play games all over the place on multiple systems. I'd rather play Super Mario Bros over Pitfall. And I'd play Pitfall over any other 2600 games.
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Post by PooshhMao on Sept 29, 2014 11:47:14 GMT -5
E.T. for the Atari 2600, off course. It is a highly original effort true false And I hate how it is regarded as one of the worst games ever AND one of the causes for the video game crash, which both is total bullshit from my point of view. Dude. E.T. is trash. You're delusional. On the note, i would always defend the 2600 and 7800, also to a lesser extent the Lynx, as very good systems.. The 2600 library often gets a bad rep, while it has a lot of good,easy to pick up and play games. true, there are lots of entertaining A2600 games. The A7800 would have had a much better reputation if Atari didn't sit on it for years. It's clearly not anywhere near competitive to the NES, which it was going against commercially. And the Lynx... hmm, kind of on the fence on that one. It didn't have a single game that compelled me into playing it more than a couple of minutes.
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