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Post by Colonel Kurtz on Mar 3, 2015 10:20:32 GMT -5
Sometimes, Nintendo corners you in a back-alley, flashes a switchblade and tells you "Give me your money right now". What am I thinking about? Well, those (fortunately very rare) Nintendo-published games that sell full-price and should not even be sold for ten bucks, mostly because they contain about 30-odd minutes Worth of game.
On the DS, the absolute example would be "Yoshi's Touch and Go", about which I'm not even sure you get an hour out of it. On the 3DS, why, of course we have that grand adventure "Steel Diver", 45 minutes Worth of game is stretching it.
That's what I mean by The Big Nintendo Rip-Off Games!
Is Pilotwings Resort a Nintendo ROG? Is Brain Academy 2 its DS equivalent?
Come on guise. I know you have at least once fallen for a Big Nintendo Rip-Off. So which games are highway robbery? Which ones have redeeming qualities? Which ones are you on the fence about? Is there a worse one than Yoshi's Touch and Go? (It's a joke; I don't hate Yoshi's T'n'G, mmmkay?)
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Post by ZenithianHero on Mar 3, 2015 10:36:18 GMT -5
Steel Diver was one of those games that was probably meant for eshop when eshop wasn't ready yet, but decided to release it at launch anyways. It used to be a DS tech demo too, which may explain its brevity further.
But worst example would have to be the Mario All Stars LE on Wii. Since it doesn't deserve another explaination here is what I said on the feelies thread:
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on Mar 3, 2015 10:47:35 GMT -5
Do you think "Ultimate NES Remix" 3DS is a big old rip-off at retail price? I'm on the fence with that one. It IS cute, but how much more NES fatigue can we endure at this point? What actual gameplay do you get in it?
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Post by 🧀Son of Suzy Creamcheese🧀 on Mar 3, 2015 12:54:04 GMT -5
Pilotwings Resort a rip-off? You gotta be crazy. That's a full-sized game, and a great one at that.
Yoshi's Touch & Go, you gotta think back to when the DS came out and the touch screen was still fresh. The game is short, and just a high-score game, but I got a lot of use out of it. It doesn't have a lot of content, but it's fun. Anno 2015 it surely would've been released on eShop and not as a retail cart, but it was a well-recieved game, IIRC.
Ultimate NES Remix is fine if you only have a 3DS, but if you have a Wii U and you buy it, you're nuts. Remix 1 and 2 are both available for less money that Ultimate, which has less content than 1 and 2 combined.
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Post by Scylla on Mar 3, 2015 13:05:44 GMT -5
I think all the Pilotwings games are basically glorified tech demos. That's basically the purpose of the series, to show off new hardware. If and when Nintendo releases a Pilotwings game that's not available at/near a system's launch, then maybe I'll change my tune. I fell for the hype with Pilotwings 64 and bought it at full price, and I can't say I enjoyed it very much. It's got enough content to last awhile (also because the missions are fussy about how much precision they demand) but that content is... boring as shit. Yoshi's Touch & Go may be extremely light on content, but at least I had fun with what little it does have.
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on Mar 3, 2015 13:15:23 GMT -5
Pilotwings Resort a rip-off? You gotta be crazy. That's a full-sized game, and a great one at that. Ha ha, lol!  I personally consider Pilotwings Resort is a very good game that offers some of the best sensations on the 3DS (flying in 3D: I'm already sold.) Yes, the number of "stages" is small, but each is different and original, and all are great fun to master. Mastering all the flying/diving contraptions takes time but is huge fun, because the controls are perfect. And I was never bothered by the fact that you only fly over Whatsitsname Island from the Wii game. Still, a huge number of people gave the game mediocre reviews, many players were angry, all with the same mantra: it's too short, it's too short, it's too sho-(etc.). Using this game in my original post, with a question mark, as in, is it acceptable for you, or is it too short, was simple dialectic. It was just there to engage the discussion. And it worked! PS: If you like flying in 3D, Air Combat Assault Horizon Legacy packs some intense sensations. Don't expect too much from Starfox 3DS, though. It did not age very well. |
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Post by AfroRyan on Mar 3, 2015 13:15:52 GMT -5
In the sense of ripoff meaning "copying something else," Balloon Fight is a blatant ripoff of Joust.
Ripoff in the sense of costing too much money, I feel like Made in Wario is a pretty big gyp. It's fun enough, but there's just so little content.
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on Mar 3, 2015 13:27:07 GMT -5
I think all the Pilotwings games are basically glorified tech demos. That's basically the purpose of the series, to show off new hardware. If and when Nintendo releases a Pilotwings game that's not available at/near a system's launch, then maybe I'll change my tune. I fell for the hype with Pilotwings 64 and bought it at full price, and I can't say I enjoyed it very much. It's got enough content to last awhile (also because the missions are fussy about how much precision they demand) but that content is... boring as shit. Yoshi's Touch & Go may be extremely light on content, but at least I had fun with what little it does have. SNES Pilotwings I found quite satisfying content-Wise. It's Pilotwings 64 I really can't stand. Really awful controls, ugly game, a complete failure. Resort is admittedly also in that "tech demo" category, but at the same time, it turned out to be a very short but very good game. And immediately, we have posts defending it, and posts attacking it. People are on the fence about it. It's those games I wanted people to talk about when I started this little thread. Personally, I don't like Yoshi T&G, but I accept Resort. Opiniooons! Fresh opinioons! |
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Post by moran on Mar 3, 2015 13:38:12 GMT -5
AfroRyan I would say Balloon fight would fit both of your definitions. Its not exactly filled with content itself. A lot of the those early release NES games were like that. Balloon Fight, Mario Bros., Donkey Kong, Wrecking Crew, etc. All at full price.
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on Mar 3, 2015 14:03:34 GMT -5
In the sense of ripoff meaning "copying something else," Balloon Fight is a blatant ripoff of Joust. Ripoff in the sense of costing too much money, I feel like Made in Wario is a pretty big gyp. It's fun enough, but there's just so little content. your second definition is exactly what I had in mind, and the game you name an excellent example of a divisive game, some are perfectly happy with that installment of Wario, others accuse it of being a ripoff because it offered so little actual game. |
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on Mar 3, 2015 14:11:06 GMT -5
AfroRyan I would say Balloon fight would fit both of your definitions. Its not exactly filled with content itself. A lot of the those early release NES games were like that. Balloon Fight, Mario Bros., Donkey Kong, Wrecking Crew, etc. All at full price. I don't know about Balloon Fight or Donkey Kong (two games I love) offering too little content. I'd say they were in the norm of their Era. Some different screens, and not much else. Think Pac-Man. Really, it's the first time I've heard of Donkey Kong being particularly short content-wise! |
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Post by TheChosen on Mar 3, 2015 14:21:38 GMT -5
AfroRyan I would say Balloon fight would fit both of your definitions. Its not exactly filled with content itself. A lot of the those early release NES games were like that. Balloon Fight, Mario Bros., Donkey Kong, Wrecking Crew, etc. All at full price. Balloon Fight and Wrecking Crew go for the extra mile though; former has the second game mode where you dodge obstacles in a scrolling stage and latter has the level editor. |
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Post by moran on Mar 3, 2015 14:22:42 GMT -5
Colonel Kurtz I'm also a big fan of the games. I may be the only person who bought Donkey Kong on the VC. But I'd say it still belongs in the conversation. I'd imagine that there's a lot of people who would argue that 4, single screen levels looped ad nauseam is not worth the price of admission though. Especially by today's standards. TheChosen I'll give in to that. I forgot about the level editor mode in WC and the other mode for BF. Still a lot less content than some of the games already mentioned.
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Post by TheChosen on Mar 3, 2015 14:26:26 GMT -5
Colonel Kurtz I'm also a big fan of the games. I may be the only person who bought Donkey Kong on the VC. But I'd say it still belongs in the conversation. I'd imagine that there's a lot of people who would argue that 4, single screen levels looped ad nauseam is not worth the price of admission though. Especially by today's standards. Its kind of like buying Charlie Chaplin movies on a DVD |
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Post by 🧀Son of Suzy Creamcheese🧀 on Mar 3, 2015 14:34:17 GMT -5
@moran Nowadays, yes, those game are short as hell. And I think that on VC some games like that should be a bit cheaper. But those kinda games were the norm back in the early Famicom days. AfroRyanWarioWare games are pretty short, but they're so fun(ny) I don't even care. I think the games are replayable enough as well. @colonel Kurtz Ace Combat looks fun, but I don't even have Pilotwings Resort yet (borrowed it back in '11), so I'd buy that before I would get to Ace Combat. SF64 I think has aged pretty well, safe for the way you progress through the game. It would be better if it was like the original SF. I actually didn't play the N64 version until, like, 2010 or something, and I thought it was amazing. The only reason I didn't enjoy SF643D as much was because I had played the original a bit too much, so I was kinda burned out on it. It's certainly a good remake, and the better version. |
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I personally consider Pilotwings Resort is a very good game that offers some of the best sensations on the 3DS (flying in 3D: I'm already sold.) Yes, the number of "stages" is small, but each is different and original, and all are great fun to master. Mastering all the flying/diving contraptions takes time but is huge fun, because the controls are perfect. And I was never bothered by the fact that you only fly over Whatsitsname Island from the Wii game.
