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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 20:26:51 GMT -5
Carrying on from where we left off in the E3 thread.
Keep it civil. We were doing good in there and it'd be a huge waste to botch it now.
My turn: I thought Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem had a pretty diverse cast. A group consisting of a fat man, a Caucasian woman, a Persian, a Khmer slave girl, a Roman centurion, a Frank, a Franciscan monk, a Venetian architect, a black Canadian firefighter, and CHARLEMAAAAAAGNE is a eclectic bunch and the best part is that EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM FITS INTO THE STORY.
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Post by Allie on Jun 23, 2015 20:28:31 GMT -5
Carrying on from where we left off in the E3 thread. Keep it civil. We were doing good in there and it'd be a huge waste to botch it now. My turn: I thought Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem had a pretty diverse cast. A group consisting of a fat man, a Caucasian woman, a Persian, a Khmer slave girl, a Roman centurion, a Frank, a Franciscan monk, a Venetian architect, a black Canadian firefighter, and CHARLEMAAAAAAGNE is a eclectic bunch and the best part is that EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM FITS INTO THE STORY.And yet none of them challenged what is accepted to be the typical Western power structure. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 20:29:29 GMT -5
Carrying on from where we left off in the E3 thread. Keep it civil. We were doing good in there and it'd be a huge waste to botch it now. My turn: I thought Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem had a pretty diverse cast. A group consisting of a fat man, a Caucasian woman, a Persian, a Khmer slave girl, a Roman centurion, a Frank, a Franciscan monk, a Venetian architect, a black Canadian firefighter, and CHARLEMAAAAAAGNE is a eclectic bunch and the best part is that EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM FITS INTO THE STORY.And yet none of them challenged what is accepted to be the typical Western power structure. Reeeemind me what that is, again? |
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Post by Neo Rasa on Jun 23, 2015 20:51:22 GMT -5
If Polaris is referring to the typical Western power structure in the game itself, half the cast lived their entire lives completely outside of it because they weren't from Europe or further west so... Even if you look at the game's western characters, you think Pious Augustus did what he did out of loyalty to Rome? LOL  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 21:06:38 GMT -5
And yet none of them challenged what is accepted to be the typical Western power structure. Weren't you saying that you aren't looking to see that sort of thing, though? If so, I'd have to agree. If you TRY to be diverse, you're going to come across as being really transparent. If you just make a good story and it turns out the lead character isn't a white male, then it's most likely going to be a step forward for the industry. I think one of the main failings of the equality movement is that it devolves into bickering over just what a "good" representation of minorities would be. They spend too much time trying to dice things up into smaller and smaller minority groups. How about we just get to a point where a white guy not being the lead all the time is considered normal? We can worry about the rest once we get over this already large hurdle. |
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Post by JDarkside on Jun 23, 2015 21:07:04 GMT -5
I'm guessing it's character archtypes, which I can see. But on the other hand, it was Lovecraft style horror, so humans are generally fucked and there's a constant undercurrent of unintentional racism, so I guess that's to be a bit expected.
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Post by Allie on Jun 23, 2015 21:08:32 GMT -5
And yet none of them challenged what is accepted to be the typical Western power structure. Weren't you saying that you aren't looking to see that sort of thing, though? If so, I'd have to agree. If you TRY to be diverse, you're going to come across as being really transparent. If you just make a good story and it turns out the lead character isn't a white male, then it's most likely going to be a step forward for the industry. I think one of the main failings of the equality movement is that it devolves into bickering over just what a "good" representation of minorities would be. They spend too much time trying to dice things up into smaller and smaller minority groups. How about we just get to a point where a white guy not being the lead all the time is considered normal? We can worry about the rest once we get over this already large hurdle. I'm not looking to see that type of thing. But I also understand what not looking to see that type of thing makes ME look like in the eyes of the vast majority of people under the age of 30... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 21:27:33 GMT -5
Every generation is full of self righteous assholes. It isn't enough to want to see things a different way. You have to look down on anyone who doesn't conform to the mob.
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Post by vetus on Jun 23, 2015 22:20:33 GMT -5
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Post by Snarboo on Jun 23, 2015 22:28:36 GMT -5
The irony of that comic is that killing any one of those characters would be biased in some way, even the old man.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 22:30:29 GMT -5
They really should have just let you kill anyone and have the story react to each different choice.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 23:30:28 GMT -5
So the mention of "mechanical apartheid" in the E3 brief for the new Deus Ex rustled some jimmies.
Discuss.
As for me, given that real-life cybernetics are usually used to help people with severe morphological defects, grievous injuries or certain other medical conditions (i.e. poor vision), I'm mildly puzzled that they're going with the "RACISM" route instead of "disability discrimination" route, even if it'd be hard to call Jensen "disabled" when he can easily handle a 5-story fall and punch someone out through a wall. Even if he didn't ask for this.
Granted, said racism route makes some sense in-story, but...
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Post by Ike on Jun 23, 2015 23:52:45 GMT -5
You do lose a shred of the "disabled" cred when your robot parts make you far more able than a regular person.
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Post by JDarkside on Jun 24, 2015 5:53:45 GMT -5
So the mention of "mechanical apartheid" in the E3 brief for the new Deus Ex rustled some jimmies. Discuss. As for me, given that real-life cybernetics are usually used to help people with severe morphological defects, grievous injuries or certain other medical conditions (i.e. poor vision), I'm mildly puzzled that they're going with the "RACISM" route instead of "disability discrimination" route, even if it'd be hard to call Jensen "disabled" when he can easily handle a 5-story fall and punch someone out through a wall. Even if he didn't ask for this. Granted, said racism route makes some sense in-story, but... The fact that the star of the series is a brooding white man who constantly whines that he didn't want cool robot parts is where a lot of the complaints are coming from, and I agree significantly. Not completely, it does make sense in the story presented with the series, but in the context of its white bread heroes, it comes off accidentally as "WHAT IF WHITE PEOPLE WERE MINORITY AHHHHHHHHHHHHH" which always the stupidest fucking thing. This is one of those things that probably won't be nearly as bad once the game is released, though, since the augmented are pretty diverse bunch in the last game. |
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Post by Snarboo on Jun 24, 2015 6:51:33 GMT -5
They should have just let you pick Jensen's skin color like you could JC's in the original game! It's a bit of a copout, but that was something I always thought was interesting about the original game.
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