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Post by derboo on Aug 4, 2015 18:46:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 19:02:27 GMT -5
Oooh, this looks pretty rad/terrifying. Like Lone Survivor meets Eternal Darkness.
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Post by GamerL on Aug 4, 2015 20:25:14 GMT -5
I kind of fucking hate Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw, he helped start the trend where it's cool to hate video games, not enjoy them.
I wonder, did he also start the trend of nerds wearing fedoras? He's the earliest example I can think of.
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Post by JDarkside on Aug 4, 2015 21:06:58 GMT -5
He's constantly borderline between intelligent jerk and complete shithead.
I also played this game awhile back and it really needed some production values. Badly. Some of the sillouetes for the monsters look terrible and really zap away what atmosphere it manages to make. It has good writing and great ideas, but it really needed some polish, it's kind of central to its horror.
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Post by Neo Rasa on Aug 4, 2015 23:13:24 GMT -5
I think if there is one nitpick I have with the game's presentation, it's that now that you're reading this post you can no longer ignore that the playable characters are all between seven and eight feet tall and are bumping their heads on doorways forever. The lock picking is also a bit useless.
That said, for a game made almost entirely by one individual with Game Maker it's a pretty incredible example of how to pull a desired atmosphere out of any genre and limitations.
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Post by Gendo Ikari on Aug 4, 2015 23:53:34 GMT -5
While I enjoyed his old games (I even donated to get the "Special Editions" back then) and the presence of a Ministry of Occultism means it may be set in the same universe as his adventures, the genre of this one is not my cup of tea, so I'll refrain from buying it for now. There is always time for sales.
I've known the guy way before he became popular, during the years of HOTU (it was there that he knew the girl that ultimately prompted him to move to Australia), and he was already that way. I recall some explanations given in more recent years, about his abrasive personality being forged by a crappy family he grew up with, but it didn't excuse it completely. Given how many years have passed, however, I wonder if he's rather a "prisoner" of his own character now.
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Post by GamerL on Aug 5, 2015 0:06:17 GMT -5
Given how many years have passed, however, I wonder if he's rather a "prisoner" of his own character now. That's a good question, but now I'm wondering, is he even still making those videos? I haven't watched one since 2011 and I can't even remember the last time I saw a discussion of his reviews on the net. |
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Post by drpepperfan on Aug 5, 2015 0:58:21 GMT -5
He does stil make them, and they're basically as big as they ever were. Still hits.
Never liked Zero Puncutation, when he first started them years back I thought "yeesh, i like your games Yahtzee, but I hope you don't try and continue this stuff.". And Lo and behold, it's the most popular content he's ever made by far. *shrug* I don't get it.
Like I said, I was a pretty big fan of Yahtzee's stuff since back in the day. Was into things like Reality of the Norm (maaaan that brings up memories, shout out to Dave Gilbert) and all his other adventure games. Payed for the Chzo Mythos Special Editions too. So I was pretty interested to see a new game by him on the front page. But sadly, I'm just not interested in this genre at all. What a shame. -_- It's also a shame he's kind of a asshole.
(oh btw does anyone have any clue how to make Trilby's Notes work on Windows 7? All the graphics are messed up and shit.)
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Post by Gendo Ikari on Aug 5, 2015 3:13:40 GMT -5
I haven't played it in a long time but I'll give a try on Win8 when I can.
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Post by Leona Phoenix on Aug 5, 2015 3:14:09 GMT -5
The accidental suicide option is neat idea.
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Post by kaoru on Aug 5, 2015 7:25:12 GMT -5
Really enjoyed his Chzo mythos adventure games ten or so years ago. But when I tried a free beta of Consuming Shadow, it kinda felt too aimless? I dunno, too many ways to go, too few pointers what to acomplish for me.
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Post by GamerL on Aug 5, 2015 9:42:50 GMT -5
He does stil make them, and they're basically as big as they ever were. Still hits. That's surprising. It all started for that guy with his Bioshock review, while everyone else was praising the game he voiced the "it's just System Shock 2 but too easy" cliche, which got him a lot of attention, then he followed that up with Halo 3 review, in which he shat on it of course and that cemented his popularity. I'm not saying there were never cynical or burnt out gamers before him, but because he was funny and had a smart sounding accent he helped to make it "cool" and "rebellious" to shit on modern games, especially if they're coming from EA, Microsoft and Sony, because fuck those greedy bastards, am I right? Wouldn't it be best if they all went of business and maybe we could all take up stamp collecting instead as our new hobby? Because you see negativity is funny, it's funny to tear into something, not sing it's praises, but that's an unfair way to review games, to criticize them harshly for the "comedy" instead of treating them fairly, in the case of Yahtzee, the wake up call for me was when he shit on Soul Calibur 4 for essentially no reason, that was when I realized this guy is not really a credible source. Right or wrong, it's just eerie to me that we still can't get away from attitudes born in 2007, which I want to emphasis here was almost a decade ago, it's like we've gone nowhere. If a sound little bitter over all this welllllll.... |
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Post by lthammy on Aug 5, 2015 10:20:13 GMT -5
I've known the guy way before he became popular, during the years of HOTU (it was there that he knew the girl that ultimately prompted him to move to Australia), and he was already that way. I recall some explanations given in more recent years, about his abrasive personality being forged by a crappy family he grew up with, but it didn't excuse it completely. Given how many years have passed, however, I wonder if he's rather a "prisoner" of his own character now. He was positive in his Psychonauts video. Following that, he had another video - I can't remember which - where he complained that people don't like it when he's positive, so he would just focus on the negative from then on even if he likes the game overall. So I think "prisoner of his own character" is appropriate. I kind of fucking hate Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw, he helped start the trend where it's cool to hate video games, not enjoy them. When Zero Punctuation first appeared, we had already had The Angry Video Game Nerd and his slew of imitators. The Nostalgia Critic and The Irate Gamer had been around for a few years. You can't really blame Yahtzee for the angry, overly negative reviewer gimmick becoming a thing. It was overused before he even got there. What he should really be criticized for is the number of times when he's blatantly wrong, usually because he's only played through the tutorial areas. But even that might be due to strict deadlines or things of that nature. Who knows. Except for when he thought you had to walk on a hamster wheel for fifteen minutes to advance in Super Paper Mario. There's no excuse for him being dense there. As an aside, the "everyone should just be positive about games all the time" sentiment that keeps cropping up lately is equally terrible. Other people are and should be allowed to state their opinions, even if it means that they don't like what you or I like. |
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Post by Neo Rasa on Aug 5, 2015 10:23:27 GMT -5
He does stil make them, and they're basically as big as they ever were. Still hits. That's surprising. It all started for that guy with his Bioshock review, while everyone else was praising the game he voiced the "it's just System Shock 2 but too easy" cliche, which got him a lot of attention, then he followed that up with Halo 3 review, in which he shat on it of course and that cemented his popularity. I'm not saying there were never cynical or burnt out gamers before him, but because he was funny and had a smart sounding accent he helped to make it "cool" and "rebellious" to shit on modern games, especially if they're coming from EA, Microsoft and Sony, because fuck those greedy bastards, am I right? Wouldn't it be best if they all went of business and maybe we could all take up stamp collecting instead as our new hobby? Because you see negativity is funny, it's funny to tear into something, not sing it's praises, but that's an unfair way to review games, to criticize them harshly for the "comedy" instead of treating them fairly, in the case of Yahtzee, the wake up call for me was when he shit on Soul Calibur 4 for essentially no reason, that was when I realized this guy is not really a credible source. Right or wrong, it's just eerie to me that we still can't get away from attitudes born in 2007, which I want to emphasis here was almost a decade ago, it's like we've gone nowhere. If a sound little bitter over all this welllllll.... I actually never watched any of Yahtzee's videos until reading about them in this thread, I don't agree with all of what I've seen but I'm not seeing anything particularly terrible being said here? Especially with your examples: Bioshock: I LOVE this game, I even triple dipped getting it on 360, PC and PS3, but it literally is System Shock 2 but too easy, like this was a conscious part of its development process to sell the atmosphere more through its graphics and sound than through combat. He dislikes the game for this and I disagree, but that's a totally valid way to discuss the game. SoulCalibur 4: This game is rushed crap. It's fun for me and I played it constantly but come on.  It's hyper-broken even compared to US PS2 Soul Calibur 3, with not even 1/3 of the content. Even the devs were openly embarrassed by it which is why SoulCalibur 5 ended up being pretty good. Halo 3 I'm not going to comment because I completely skipped it, but I'm not really seeing the reason for the hate for this guy beyond the unimportant "this person dislikes a game I like won't someone please think of the feelings of the multi-million dollar publishers." And I think it's naive to think that one person's efforts singularly made it "cool and rebellious to shit on modern games" when that's been going on since basically forever. Like you can look at game reviews from 1993 talking about how whatever game was ruined because it was made for consoles first and therefore for children, or the massive initial hate Metroid Prime received from some dissenting sites because it's a first person game that isn't a Quake III clone. The "this is the THINKING MAN'S first person shooter" game critique plague of the late 90s. "Is Gone Home a video game" was like the great mystery of the fall of 2013 when you could put a kid in front of it for two seconds and they'll know it's a video game. The idea that the endgame of writing or making videos about games should be "to be 100% objectively correct about if this game is a good game as long as that's what most people already think" is way off target." From what little I'm seeing of his videos, he's accomplishing the mission of "I get an overview of this game and know if I would like it or not," plus some ideas are brought up that I may not have thought about. Seems fine? |
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Post by lthammy on Aug 5, 2015 10:24:29 GMT -5
I haven't watched a Yahtzee video a in billion years. The ones where I know he got facts wrong are Monster Hunter 3, Super Paper Mario, and Valkyria Chronicles. That's not what's being complained about here though.
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It's hyper-broken even compared to US PS2 Soul Calibur 3, with not even 1/3 of the content. Even the devs were openly embarrassed by it which is why SoulCalibur 5 ended up being pretty good.