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Post by Sturat on Sept 30, 2015 17:28:53 GMT -5
Considering how advanced smart phones are these days and they're only going to get more and more so, I'd be surprised if outside of Nintendo there would ever be another gaming dedicated handheld released by anybody. I wouldn't assume Nintendo is a sure thing. I think part of Nintendo's success with the 3DS and 2DS came from parents who didn't want to give phones and tablets to young kids, and I think people have rapidly become more comfortable with that. (It helps that a lot of people have older tablets and smart phones that they don't mind seeing broken)
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Post by vetus on Sept 30, 2015 18:51:00 GMT -5
Considering how advanced smart phones are these days and they're only going to get more and more so, I'd be surprised if outside of Nintendo there would ever be another gaming dedicated handheld released by anybody. No matter how advanced smartphones are from technology aspect, they many, major problems like: - Lack of psychical controls. And no, it's not a good solution to carry around a wireless controller that it's not even compatible with many games - Poor battery life - You download a game and even if you have the most advanced phone model, many games will not open or they will crush all the time - Many games even if they are single player puzzle games demand from you to be online - Lack of really interesting games better than ones for consoles - Even in good games you have to deal with the fact that they are FP2 instead of premium with irritating microtransactions. You play a few rounds of Puzzle&Dragons? Good! Wait a few hour until you can play an extra round. You can't beat a level? Grind like hell and bet on luck or pay with real money. I think part of Nintendo's success with the 3DS and 2DS came from parents who didn't want to give phones and tablets to young kids, and I think people have rapidly become more comfortable with that. What I can see is that most parents prefer giving their kids a cheap phone or tablet where they can download unlimited free games legally instead of a portable consoles with "expensive" games. That's why nowadays I see more kids playing video games on their phones/tablets and less with a portable consoles.
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Post by shelverton on Sept 30, 2015 21:42:07 GMT -5
I actually wonder if the kids today will be able to understand controllers in the future. If there's even such a thing as controllers then. When I see kids that are around 6-8 years old playing semi-advanced action games on iPad, and they don't seem to have any problems with them being touch screen only, I almost feel like controllers are probably not gonna be around for much longer.
I give them maximum 15 more years and then it could very well be over.
A nightmare would be a future where even regular televisions are touch screen, and you sit with your face literally up against your TV and swipe on the screen to make Mario jump.
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Post by Ryzuki on Oct 1, 2015 0:08:38 GMT -5
No! NO, you fool! Buttons are the one advantage portables have over mobiles! Without buttons, we're nothing! Here here! The DS is literally the only time I was even slightly OK with a touch screen as a controller. I also vastly prefer having cartridges rather than buying memory. Everyone throw out your phones!
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Post by 90sgamer92 on Oct 1, 2015 12:34:53 GMT -5
I actually wonder if the kids today will be able to understand controllers in the future. If there's even such a thing as controllers then. When I see kids that are around 6-8 years old playing semi-advanced action games on iPad, and they don't seem to have any problems with them being touch screen only, I almost feel like controllers are probably not gonna be around for much longer. I give them maximum 15 more years and then it could very well be over. A nightmare would be a future where even regular televisions are touch screen, and you sit with your face literally up against your TV and swipe on the screen to make Mario jump. It's only going to work in washy washy semicasual games. For any platformer, fighting game or similar game where you have to pull of precise moves, you'll need a control with buttons that have actual physical feedback. And don't even get me started on any kind of complex PC action game where you need more than few buttons. Even for said wisywashy semicasual games, I don't see the appeal of playing on a touch screen because your finger is obscuring a part of the screen (and making it greasy) and there's that lack of physical feedback I mentioned. Tapping a screen has no feel to it, you never know whether your character is going to jump or not. It just doesn't feel fun to play like it does when you're holding a controller or even a keyboard and a mouse.
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Post by vetus on Oct 3, 2015 3:56:26 GMT -5
Here here! The DS is literally the only time I was even slightly OK with a touch screen as a controller. That's for many reasons: - Pen works better than finger (even at puzzle games) - Many DS games (mainly from Nintendo) made clever and enjoyable usage of touch controls - Some games combined both classic controls with touch controls (where sometimes they are optional)
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on Oct 4, 2015 4:25:55 GMT -5
- Many games even if they are single player puzzle games demand from you to be online - Lack of really interesting games better than ones for consoles - Even in good games you have to deal with the fact that they are FP2 instead of premium with irritating microtransactions. You play a few rounds of Puzzle&Dragons? Good! Wait a few hour until you can play an extra round. You can't beat a level? Grind like hell and bet on luck or pay with real money. That's why we are trying to establish a list of great premium games over in the mobile thread. It is really necessary to have a choice of non f2p, non time-limited, non micro-transactions fueled games. They are not the majority anymore, but they still exist, and there are awesome games in those premium categories. I understand how incredibly the f2p meodel has spread and now dominates, but thankfully it's not overtaken avery other buy model. Yet!... As for the Vita 2 (or PSP 3), it's a shame, but it was a decision we could see coming from a mile away, really. The PSP was somehow vindicated in the end of its lifespan, but was a failure compared to the DS; as for the Vita, it is an embarrassing fail commercially. (I personally LOVE the PSP - most underrated handheld ever! - and the Vita (So beautiful graphics! Such a good, underrated library of games!) Add to that the unceratainty that mobiles have brought to that market, and it's not surprising they throw the towel. If they only had to contend with Nintendo, things would have been different, but mobile games have become a far greater adversary, so Sony really lose on ecvery front. I'm OK with the end of SONY's handheld dreams. The PSP will remain the high point, the Vita will remain a goo follow-up, and beyond the cool fact that they will have been the best alternative to Nintando's handhelds ever, both machines (especially the PSP, and by far) are good, impressive machines, with a number of incredibly good software, and I'm sur the Ebay prices for these machines will be quite high in ten/15 years. Now if they decide to still release another follow-up to the PSP, I will of course be all over that.)
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Post by Pixel_Crusher on Oct 4, 2015 17:09:14 GMT -5
- Many games even if they are single player puzzle games demand from you to be online - Lack of really interesting games better than ones for consoles - Even in good games you have to deal with the fact that they are FP2 instead of premium with irritating microtransactions. You play a few rounds of Puzzle&Dragons? Good! Wait a few hour until you can play an extra round. You can't beat a level? Grind like hell and bet on luck or pay with real money. That's why we are trying to establish a list of great premium games over in the mobile thread. It is really necessary to have a choice of non f2p, non time-limited, non micro-transactions fueled games. They are not the majority anymore, but they still exist, and there are awesome games in those premium categories. I understand how incredibly the f2p meodel has spread and now dominates, but thankfully it's not overtaken avery other buy model. Yet!... As for the Vita 2 (or PSP 3), it's a shame, but it was a decision we could see coming from a mile away, really. The PSP was somehow vindicated in the end of its lifespan, but was a failure compared to the DS; as for the Vita, it is an embarrassing fail commercially. (I personally LOVE the PSP - most underrated handheld ever! - and the Vita (So beautiful graphics! Such a good, underrated library of games!) Add to that the unceratainty that mobiles have brought to that market, and it's not surprising they throw the towel. If they only had to contend with Nintendo, things would have been different, but mobile games have become a far greater adversary, so Sony really lose on ecvery front. I'm OK with the end of SONY's handheld dreams. The PSP will remain the high point, the Vita will remain a goo follow-up, and beyond the cool fact that they will have been the best alternative to Nintando's handhelds ever, both machines (especially the PSP, and by far) are good, impressive machines, with a number of incredibly good software, and I'm sur the Ebay prices for these machines will be quite high in ten/15 years. Now if they decide to still release another follow-up to the PSP, I will of course be all over that.) I agree. The PSP may not have boasted a colossal game library like the DS, but it still had a respectable one (so many RPGs that need to be translated...). On that note, would you recommend me a PSP Go? Given that its price must have lowered, it would be a nice to carry my entire library in digital format for easy access at all times.
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Post by 90sgamer92 on Oct 4, 2015 19:20:47 GMT -5
I'm sur the Ebay prices for these machines will be quite high in ten/15 years. I hope some one comes up with a custom console that lets you play PSP games on your TV screen by then. My PSP's battery has practically died from extensive use. Of course you can stockpile batteries, but I wonder if the PSP (Or Vita, for that matter) has internal problems like PC Engine CD and Game Gear that makes capacitors leak over time, the screen/picture quality detoriate and so on. Some machine that would let you play UMD games on your TV would be great remedy for that.
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Post by Scylla on Oct 4, 2015 19:55:44 GMT -5
I like my Vita a lot, but that's fine by me. I have the current handhelds and tons of older ones to play and collect games for. If not on a Sony handheld, the future games I want to play will just be on something else, and if things can consolidate so that I can buy fewer systems and still play all that I want, that's good too. And if there's no Vita follow-up, I hope that means publishers will continue to release games for it for quite some time. It's obviously not a big success and doesn't get tons of releases, but I'm happy with the steady trickle of localizations.
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Post by Chronis on Oct 4, 2015 21:28:17 GMT -5
I hope some one comes up with a custom console that lets you play PSP games on your TV screen by then. It called a Vita TV, and it's on your local store's dusty bottom shelf. Out of the box, it's very lackluster, but if you're willing to skirt the rules a bit, it opens up quite a bit. If you have certain downloadable PSP games and an unit with old enough firmware, you can get custom firmware for the PSP side, which will open up all PSP and PS1 games. Also, a recent exploit was found that gets rid of the whitelist on the Vita side, allowing you to play all(?) Vita games that you own.
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Post by Scylla on Oct 4, 2015 22:03:56 GMT -5
That's not quite the same thing as something other than a PSP itself that is capable of playing UMDs. Heck, if you're going to pirate, you can just as well use a PSP emulator.
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Post by Weasel on Oct 5, 2015 2:04:34 GMT -5
The 2000 and 3000-series PSPs actually did have TV-out, though, and it works well for the most part...aside from it being massively letterboxed, because component video won't put out any lower than 720x480, and it doesn't upscale the 480x272 display at all.
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Post by vetus on Oct 5, 2015 2:52:08 GMT -5
Like I already mentioned in another thread, it's a huge shame we never saw an upgrade of Sony Xperia Play. A smartphone with good portable console design? How awesome is that! It's so ironic that Sony didn't supported it and yet Nokia kept supporting the ill-fated NGage despite being a huge commercial failure.
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Post by 90sgamer92 on Oct 5, 2015 3:53:31 GMT -5
Good thing my PSP is 3000 series then! I ought to try that out some day. Though it might feel awkward to play games like that with out an external controller. It called a Vita TV, and it's on your local store's dusty bottom shelf. Out of the box, it's very lackluster, but if you're willing to skirt the rules a bit, it opens up quite a bit. Yeah I know those exist, but they're not compatible with UMDs, right? I'm looking for a solution that would let you play your entire physical PSP game collection on a TV, with out worrying about pixelated screens, batteries that run out in 15 minutes and any other possible hardware faults that PSP units might get with old age&heavy use.
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