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Post by The Great Klaid on May 13, 2016 20:20:50 GMT -5
As bad as he is I find his fan club worse, if only because they're so starved for both actual leadership and so bad at recognizing wolves in sheep's clothing that they unironically believe what he says. Wait, did he quit or was he banned? Banned people don't "disappear"
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 20:29:11 GMT -5
Banned people don't "disappear" Ah, did not know that. Useful info, thanks!
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Post by GamerL on May 13, 2016 20:43:46 GMT -5
I wonder what his problem was?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 20:48:05 GMT -5
I wonder what his problem was? I question I find myself asking about more and more people as I get older.
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Post by Weasel on May 13, 2016 21:46:13 GMT -5
I wonder what his problem was? Judging from the kind of stuff he messages me on Steam about from time to time, I suspect he's disillusioned with forums in general. He was asking over at another forum I moderate if I could delete his account for him (I can't because it fucks with the database).
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Post by Maciej Miszczyk on May 14, 2016 1:37:25 GMT -5
Even though it's basically throwing away a vote, I want to start voting third party because a loss for a party that's not doing what it should due to another party similar but different can tell them "hey, maybe try this." I really don't like the idea that voting for third party candidates is 'throwing away a vote' and that it helps the other side, whatever would that be so IMHO you shouldn't be too worried about that. while it's true that most of the voting systems discourage this (not all - see preferential systems like STV), it creates a stupid kind of polarization where people overlook flaws in their chosen party, entrench themselves in party's positions (instead of their own personal views) and, annoyingly, refuse to believe that criticism of their party doesn't have to come from the supporters of other one. that last thing is my pet peeve in political discussions because my views never fit well into any of the major parties (and that goes for both Poland and USA) and yet any time I criticize e.g. Trump I get barraged with counter-arguments not about Trump being good but about Clinton or Obama or some other dem being bad. people refuse to believe I dislike all of them and that when it comes to many of the things I care about (e.g. privacy), they're not that different.
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Post by The Great Klaid on May 14, 2016 3:36:56 GMT -5
Banned people don't "disappear" Ah, did not know that. Useful info, thanks! I think it's a side effect of being able to temp ban people. Actually, I'm not sure if mods can delete these accounts. Weasel could you tell us? Can Discoalucard even?
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Post by Maciej Miszczyk on May 14, 2016 5:05:28 GMT -5
I think accounts here are proboards accounts, not HG101 accounts so they probably can't.
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Post by Weasel on May 14, 2016 10:59:57 GMT -5
Yeah we can't actually delete user accounts because they're tied into the Proboards global account system.
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Post by Discoalucard on May 14, 2016 13:09:34 GMT -5
I don't know if mods can, but admins can delete members.
I didn't though, he did it on his own accord.
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Post by paperchema on May 14, 2016 14:54:32 GMT -5
Wait, did he quit or was he banned? I was wondering the same thing, I think he might have deleted his own account. Anyhoo I'm pretty confident Trump wont win, but the bar has nevertheless been lowered for American politics, which is unsettling enough, but I think what it probably ultimately really means is that we're witnessing the death of the republican party, they wound up undermining their own authority by constantly pushing an anti-government attitude as a way to slam Obama but now they've found that whoops, they're part of the government too and their former followers have turned on them, there's no going back after Trump, they've completely screwed themselves over and it's hilarious because they're getting exactly what they deserve for supposedly being pro-America patriots while also trying to sabotage America at every turn just to get at Obama. What we should really be worried about are the Democrats and Hilary, I have a lot of concerns about Hilary because as I've been learning she, like Bill before her are really just "conservative-lite" and not actual progressives and with the very, very precarious situation in the world today military wise with ISIS, Syria and Russia I worry she'll get us embroiled in some sort of war. What's a progressive, though? Central Europe could be a utopia because we have healthcare and all the regulations Bernie Sanders and the "progressive" American far left is proposing today.
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Post by Discoalucard on May 14, 2016 15:25:27 GMT -5
In American terms, Democrats are left-wing and Republicans are right-wing, but in European terms, Democrats are center/center-left (depending on the day) and Republicans are far-right. I don't think Sanders would be considered far-left in Europe, even though he definitely is here. Anyone for public healthcare or public college is considered a progressive in America. And yes, for many of us here, we dream of Central/Northern Europe (or Canada, at least). You don't know hell until you've dealt with any level of the American healthcare "system".
I don't agree that the Clintons (either of them) are "Republican-lite" because that understates how crazy the Republicans are. More centrist that I'd like (and more war-mongery) though, yeah. Realistically, a Hillary Clinton presidency would be similar to the Obama presidency, though probably more the middle years rather than the awesome IDGAF Obama of late.
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Post by paperchema on May 14, 2016 15:41:28 GMT -5
In American terms, Democrats are left-wing and Republicans are right-wing, but in European terms, Democrats are center/center-left (depending on the day) and Republicans are far-right. I don't think Sanders would be considered far-left in Europe, even though he definitely is here. Anyone for public healthcare or public college is considered a progressive in America. And yes, for many of us here, we dream of Central/Northern Europe (or Canada, at least). You don't know hell until you've dealt with any level of the American healthcare "system". I don't agree that the Clintons (either of them) are "Republican-lite" because that understates how crazy the Republicans are. More centrist that I'd like (and more war-mongery) though, yeah. Realistically, a Hillary Clinton presidency would be similar to the Obama presidency, though probably more the middle years rather than the awesome IDGAF Obama of late. And I really hope you can get healthcare and government investment and many other things I take for granted today. I just wanted to question this notion of A progressivism. Being kinda conservative myself I have to admit I'm more keen towards Hillary because of her incrementalist attitude. As much as I like Bernie, I don't know if the USA's public system is prepared for such big changes. From what I read it needs an exhaustive rethinking of its general workings first.
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Post by bakudon on May 14, 2016 15:49:29 GMT -5
Well, in many cases I think "progressive" is an euphemism for leftism...
Affordable healthcare for everyone is a neat thing to have, but needs a strong economy to back that up, especially since the costs of treatments tend to increase with time. Regulations are also a two-bladed sword: certainly they can deal with all sorts of problems, but increasing bureaucracy makes the system inflexible and induces more costs.
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Post by JDarkside on May 14, 2016 18:13:27 GMT -5
In American terms, Democrats are left-wing and Republicans are right-wing, but in European terms, Democrats are center/center-left (depending on the day) and Republicans are far-right. I don't think Sanders would be considered far-left in Europe, even though he definitely is here. Anyone for public healthcare or public college is considered a progressive in America. And yes, for many of us here, we dream of Central/Northern Europe (or Canada, at least). You don't know hell until you've dealt with any level of the American healthcare "system". I don't agree that the Clintons (either of them) are "Republican-lite" because that understates how crazy the Republicans are. More centrist that I'd like (and more war-mongery) though, yeah. Realistically, a Hillary Clinton presidency would be similar to the Obama presidency, though probably more the middle years rather than the awesome IDGAF Obama of late. And I really hope you can get healthcare and government investment and many other things I take for granted today. I just wanted to question this notion of A progressivism. Being kinda conservative myself I have to admit I'm more keen towards Hillary because of her incrementalist attitude. As much as I like Bernie, I don't know if the USA's public system is prepared for such big changes. From what I read it needs an exhaustive rethinking of its general workings first. That "we're not ready" thought process really annoys me for personal reasons. American history of progressiveness is basically "we'll deal with the gays and minorities later" and we have to fix this shit ourselves. Don't even get me started on how shafted the farmers were. The reason so many are right wing revolutionary loons now is because the government really HAS fucked them over royally. Bernie is really necessary now because we need a critical voice with a big audience to say "THIS COUNTRY IS UTTERLY FUCKED AND WE NEED TO FIX IT." Even if he's not going to win, he's affecting the culture. That's necessary for a shift in norms overtime. But then we also have Trump happening, and he's using minorities as scapegoats to whip up the right wing base. Basically, the reason the two have a weird amount of overlap, despite being complete opposites, is because they're both saying the system is garbage for different reasons, and some people just want to see things crash down so we can make something that works. Where the battle may happen is what we want the new system to be, and it's both exciting and terrifying because one of the firebrands in this election is basically Mussolini 2.0.
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