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Post by chronotigger65 on May 4, 2016 20:24:52 GMT -5
This primarily deals with TV series but could be used for other stuff like books or movies and it deals with your opinion not what everyone says it oulasted its welcome.
Shows that I think..
X-files...After David Dochovny left the show after season 7. The Simpsons...Perhaps the biggest one of all. I really can't say when from my opinion but some say around season 10. Star Trek...This needs a little explaining. I like Star Trek and all but when they started The Next Generation they made too many spinoffs. They had trouble I believe in keeping an audience with them. They kept doing thing to keep us coming like having Worf on Deep Space Nine and the return of Q in Voyager. They should have stopped at Voyager but I kind of lost it around the time when they started using cheap CG for aliens and all in Voyager. Should have left it alone for a while before making new stuff. Scooby-doo...Hate it now but they should have stopped before Scrappy-doo was made. God, was he so annoying. Worst Cartoon Character Ever! Dragon Ball Z...Should have stopped with the Cell Saga.
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Post by lurker on May 4, 2016 20:35:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't call the various Star Trek series spinoffs. As for Scooby Doo, I've heard good things about Mystery Incorporated.
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Post by nightdreamer on May 4, 2016 21:42:25 GMT -5
Comics are plenty guilty of overstaying their welcome. Great Teacher Onizuka and Ah! My Goddesss immediately come to mind. They ran their formula to the ground and they just won't quit (at least AMG has ended, though I hear the ending is weak).
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Post by lurker on May 4, 2016 21:45:40 GMT -5
From what I've heard, you probably could throw in Supernatural.
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Post by GamerL on May 4, 2016 22:21:24 GMT -5
Dexter, holy hell did that show go downhill.
The show started off great, that first season was excellent, the second season was pretty solid and while it had a lame third season as a result of the writers strike it bounced back big time with the fourth season and then it was all downhill from there, the show got worse and worse until it was just laughably bad by the end.
Part of the problem was how they characterized Dexter himself, at the start of the show he was creepy, you weren't too sure what to make of him, it was made clear that there was a thin line between him and your typical serial killer, he didn't kill other killers out of a sense of justice but because he simply had to kill, who he wound up killing was just a result of a twist of fate rather than his own inherent morality, that's what made it interesting, you didn't know whether or not he would give in to his dark side.
But as it went on he gradually evolved into just this vigilante anti-hero, the shades of grey to his character gradually faded away, the show should have ended with the fourth season, that's when Dexter was confronted with the reality that trying to live a "normal" life while also being a serial killer was an impossibility and instead of having an ending that brought the show to it's logical conclusion they just watered it down so it could run on for a couple more years.
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Post by Brand on May 5, 2016 0:08:22 GMT -5
As much as I enjoyed it for the most part for me it has to be Lost. That last season was really stretching it and you can tell as they just keep adding new plot twists and mysteries that don't ever really get answered. I think it would have worked a lot better as a 5 season show that had 13 episodes a season, the writing could have been a lot tighter then and with a lot less crap.
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Post by Weasel on May 5, 2016 0:18:10 GMT -5
I loved Bones for a while. I got to enjoy it greatly through the first four or so seasons... ...when Booth started hallucinating dead war buddies and goddamn Stewie Griffin appeared in the interrogation room... ...admittedly, Season 4's finale (the dream-sequence episode where, instead of being lab techs, everybody works at a nightclub called "the Lab") was one of my favorite episodes, but from that point on, it just seemed to focus way more on whether the main characters were having sex or not, instead of the actual mysteries that needed solving. It should have ended at Season 5. But they found a way to "get the band back together" for Season 6, and subsequently wrecked all of what I enjoyed about the series.
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Post by GamerL on May 5, 2016 0:41:27 GMT -5
As much as I enjoyed it for the most part for me it has to be Lost. That last season was really stretching it and you can tell as they just keep adding new plot twists and mysteries that don't ever really get answered. I think it would have worked a lot better as a 5 season show that had 13 episodes a season, the writing could have been a lot tighter then and with a lot less crap. I think it says it all about how it failed to stick the landing by the fact that the show was once a huge cultural phenomenon and is now pretty much forgotten.
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Post by Sac (a.k.a Icaras) on May 5, 2016 4:19:06 GMT -5
Lost: For me,it was when the young boy walt was written out of the show. I think it was the end of season 2, but I recall coming across an interview where the writers stated the kid playing Walt was getting too old, so they decided to just have him and his dad escape the island, because it was too hard to come up with an excuse for his age. That was when I realized that while the show liked to imply there was a preplanned story arc going on (Hell, that was the show's whole hook "What's the myserty? keep watching the find out!), in reality shit was just made up week to week and there was no ultimate answer to all the questions.
I watched for another season after that, but I then gave up, as it just seemed silly to keep going with the "trick" rumbled. I recall reading up on the series finale affter it happened and recall feeling justified in abandoning the show as it seemed a crap end and apparently didn't even bother to answer all the various questions raised.
Heroes: I found this show really intriguing...at 1st. It seemed like it was doing a slow burn super hero origin story kind of thing. It even seemed like it was trying to portray both Hiro and Peter as being the "main" heroes of this continuity. (Peter because it kept coming back to him and Hiro because...well he out and out stated he wanted to be a super hero)
AT the end of season 1, they defeated sylar and it seemed like we were finally going to get into the stage where they started to be super heroes, instead of just "randomly has powers".
NOPE!
Instead the characters essentially stayed as "random people with powers". In fact, the characters themselves seemed to get more and more unlikable. It also seemed like the writers fell in love with Sylar, as they kept trying and trying to make him a sympathetic anti-hero...so guys, he ripped open heads and ate brains, I do NOT want to root for that asshole. Mind you, part of why I abandoned the show was that it started to get shoved all over the schduele here in Australia, but I didn't try very hard to keep up with it, because it became obvious that the characters were never going to be heroes, let alone super heroes. They started as and stayed as "assholes with powers".
Family Guy: I enjoyed this show at 1st and even after it came back, but as it went on...it just started to get more mean spirited. Insead of funny little cut aways, you'd gte more scenes of things such as horrible things happening to meg and everyone in her family hating her. CONSTANTLY >.<; And Stewie lost his villain persona and kill his mum thing (Cept for the few times he suddenly wanted to kill her again, only to re-abandon it a few episodes later). It just seemed to get to a point where it started getting gross out...but in that horror movie sort of way where it wants you to feel really uncomfortable (characters smashing open people skulls and showing the brain, or just having brain continually get managed and humiliated by Stewie for some reason. I tend to liken brian vs stewie kind of like cartman winning in south park, you may like the character but they're so horrible that you really don't want them to come out on top.)
I'll agree on the Simpsons, that's a show that should have ended a long time ago. You can tell it's time to go when your characters have 4 or 5 futures and 6 or 7 different origins (which don't mesh with each other at all) and even have a millions secrets which they're not meant to reference anymore, but do (example: the lisa's cat and principle skinner gag in one episode)
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Post by GamerL on May 7, 2016 18:30:01 GMT -5
The logical thing to have done with The Simpsons was to have the movie be the finale, the fact that almost ten years after the movie it's still going is way past the point of absurdity.
Lost was still nevertheless an influential show because it was the first post X-Files show that really had a huge online following, it set table for later shows like The Walking Dead, Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones where the internet fandom and discussion is a big part of why people watch those shows, many shows actively pursue that kind of following now.
Heroes was such an odd case because it was friggin' huge during that first season, a lot of people thought it was "the next Lost" but then it fizzled out pretty quickly, some say it was a casualty of the writers strike, though I don't know how true that is.
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Post by JDarkside on May 7, 2016 18:52:29 GMT -5
Heroes should be exempted, because it was sabotaged right when it was really starting. Season two happened right in the middle of the writer's strike, causing it to not only end pre-maturely, but without any of its plots resolved. The best writer on the show left for another project, and one of the main writers left (Jeph Loeb) just lost his son and decided to listen to fan feedback in the exact wrong way by making season three faster, so fast that it had whiplash from how often it changed its premise.
It was a perfect shitstorm that killed that killed that show. Season four is genuinely great, but they had to get rid of Loeb and change the head of the writing staff for that to happen.
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Post by Kubo Caskett on May 7, 2016 22:32:07 GMT -5
DO video games count here? Because I know one off the top of my head; Call of Duty, mainly on account of it needing to take a break and stop being released year after year for the sake of its dignity (or what little it has depending on your point of view).
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 23:58:21 GMT -5
InuYasha should have started heading for the endgame after the Band of Seven arc.
I'm starting to think Fire Emblem is heading this way, or at least in danger of it---if not for the issues with Fates (which, while not deal-breaking, are still REALLY ANNOYING for me), then for the entire existence of that Fire Emblem x Shin Megami Tensei crossover game. It's apparently so bad (or at least disliked) that it commercially bombed *in Japan*.
I'm thinking Star Wars is at risk of this too but I will at least wait until the next movie before passing final judgment.
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Post by 🧀Son of Suzy Creamcheese🧀 on May 8, 2016 2:34:31 GMT -5
The thing about Fire Emblem is, it has only just become popular. At least in the west (but even in Japan, it has recently become much bigger than it was before). The only pre-Awakening game people ever talk about is the first localised GBA one.
I don't think you can call a series that has only really become popular three years ago with it's two recent games being it's biggest successes (and both being critically acclaimed) in danger of overstaying its welcome just yet.
And I think SMTxFE was pretty well received? It just didn't sell very well.
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Post by Échalote on May 8, 2016 3:37:50 GMT -5
that it commercially bombed *in Japan*. So did Bayonetta 2, and it's one of the better games on the console, and yeah, TMS #FE was pretty well received iirc.
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