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Jul 6, 2016 21:50:32 GMT -5
Post by Discoalucard on Jul 6, 2016 21:50:32 GMT -5
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Lord Dalek
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Post by Lord Dalek on Jul 6, 2016 22:04:51 GMT -5
Wow... a lot of unpopular opinions getting thrown arround in this one.
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Jul 6, 2016 23:30:56 GMT -5
Post by Maciej Miszczyk on Jul 6, 2016 23:30:56 GMT -5
I don't think you can write about the series without expressing unpopular opinions because the more games get released the more divisive they become.
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Jul 6, 2016 23:54:14 GMT -5
Post by Blind Ryan on Jul 6, 2016 23:54:14 GMT -5
A good read. I disagree with the extremity of the Fallout 4 hate (good game, terrible Fallout game,) but your points are valid.
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Post by Maciej Miszczyk on Jul 7, 2016 0:23:08 GMT -5
reading some of the comments on twitter, I think I might have worded the part about Legion in NV a bit awkwardly. the point wasn't that they 'had some good ideas' because they didn't and it wasn't my intention to imply they did. it was supposed to be more about how they had exactly the kind of bad ideas that would get traction in a lawless wasteland because they're a sort of counterpoint to everyone else there. one of those people who make long game analysis videos of youtube (not sure which one, probably Noah Caldwell-Gervais, MatthewMatosis or MrBtongue) expressed this concept of Legion as 'compellingly evil' better
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Post by GamerL on Jul 7, 2016 3:03:06 GMT -5
How spoiler heavy do you get when describing Fallout 4's story?
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Post by elektrolurch on Jul 7, 2016 4:38:04 GMT -5
Wow, Fallout 4 bashing.. I personally stopped caring after 2. 3 was no,just no. Not a Fallout game for me. It's clear what you describe in the beginning is the article is because,well, either you got to know fallout 1 or 2 when it was new and love it, or are younger and 3 was your introduction. Anyway, it's weird yet welcome to see an article on here not about some obscure, long forgotten JRPG or something like that but about a franchise a lot of people are familiar with.
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Post by GamerL on Jul 7, 2016 6:20:24 GMT -5
I'm playing Fallout 4 at the moment and having a lot of fun and I say that as someone who not only loves the original 2 but replayed them at the start of the year, so they're fresh in my memory. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I find it honestly pretty odd that you cut Fallout 3 some slack but are hard on 4 even though 4 is pretty much better than 3 in every way, the color palette is more colorful (3 was part of that 7th gen trend of monochrome color palettes) the gunplay is more fun and the writing and storyline, while not up to par with New Vegas, is still a lot better than 3.
And I'm also pretty sick of this trend of bashing modern games for the sake of bashing modern games, I mean the original Fallout is almost 20 years old, Fallout 4 came out last year, of course they're radically different styles of game, what do you expect? that doesn't make 4 bad.
For one thing the art design in Fallout 4 is top notch, almost everything has been redesigned to look like it has more real functionality while still retaining the retro futuristic style, this is most obvious in the Vaults, which is super cool, on top of that I love finding the various stat boosting magazines just to see the art on the covers, Bethesda hired some real talent in the art department for this game.
This kind of comes down to the main difference between current and classic gaming, the original Fallouts like a lot of classic games rely a lot on your imagination, on stuff like music and other subtle details (like the excellent interface design you mention) to create the tone and paint the picture in your mind of the game's world in ways the graphics alone could not, there's nothing wrong with that but there's also something to be said for being thrust into an immersive fully 3D world with the impressive quality of current gen graphics (it's pretty amazing to play one of these Bethesda open world games with graphics of this caliber)
This is not to say 4 bereft of criticisms, but it really irritates me how so many people look at the glass half empty when it comes to modern games, I don't see how someone could not have at least some fun with Fallout 4.
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Post by elektrolurch on Jul 7, 2016 7:12:33 GMT -5
This is not to say 4 bereft of criticisms, but it really irritates me how so many people look at the glass half empty when it comes to modern games, I don't see how someone could not have at least some fun with Fallout 4. I love a lot of modern games, but I still feel Wasteland 2 is more of a Fallout game than 3 and 4.
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Blind Ryan
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Post by Blind Ryan on Jul 7, 2016 7:48:48 GMT -5
I still can't play Wasteland 2 because of bullshit Unity Engine issues.
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Post by Sac (a.k.a Icaras) on Jul 7, 2016 8:02:49 GMT -5
I never got a chance to play Fallout 1 until after Fallout 2 had come out, but I always really liked the mix of the 50s americana with the post apocalpyic setting. It kind of had a nice mix between taking itself seriously, but not taking itself seriously at the same time.
I was quite sad to see the series go the FPS sort of action style route, but I have fallout 3 a shot...and it just wasn't for me. I vaguely recall feeling like the camera (I tried to play in 3rd person) was setup in such a way that it really wanted me to stay 1st person all the time (Funnily enough I get the same vibe from Elder Scrolls Online, and it annoyed me there too).
Shelter felt like a game that was interesting when you 1st get started, but soon either just became boring (You were too on top of everything so there wasn't much to do but tap rooms) or too hard to manage (As you constantly had to juggle rooms and breeding and raiders, and with a control system that made moving people around massively painful). It was a clever idea, it's just a shame it was a mobile game and not a full on strategy game.
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Post by TΛPETRVE on Jul 7, 2016 9:11:51 GMT -5
The shitty PS2 offshoot reminds me a wee bit of Raven's Take no Prisoners, only that game was actually quite solid. I still can't play Wasteland 2 because of bullshit Unity Engine issues. You're not missing out too much. Wasteland 2 is solid, but nowhere near as good as it could - and frankly should - have been. The tactical combat in particular is really just a chore in the long run. I backed the game, and while I don't regret the decision, I'm still a bit disappointed with the concessions that were made to sell the game to the Fallout crowd. If you want a new Fallout-esque RPG, I suggest having a look at the Serbian indie game Underrail (no, not Undertale). It's a nice mix of post-apocalypse, cyberpunk, and a tiny bit of Lovecraftian horror, with systems reminiscent of the original Fallout, but also System Shock/ Deus Ex, and Jagged Alliance 2. It's not without faults of its own, but for the small price of 15 quid, I found it immensely enjoyable. My personal GOTY 2015, next to Bloodborne.
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Jul 7, 2016 10:40:24 GMT -5
Post by TheChosen on Jul 7, 2016 10:40:24 GMT -5
I've always thought very differently about Fallout 3 and so on, that they are more proper sequels than people give them credit for. Only thing I never liked was amping up the 50's feeling which I honestly didn't even realize it was supposed to be like than with the old games. Sure I guess it dumbs down some of the aspects, or rather change some of the aspects to fit better their Elder Scrolls-style, but its still the Fallout universe, it still has the same recognizable things, same feeling and it even does some things better than the original, like being able to actually explore the wasteland, cutting down lot of useless skills and proper working combat. Fallout 3 scratched the itch for me that Fallout 1 never did after having played Fallout 2 to death. Same with New Vegas. Probably same with 4 once I finally get to play that.
I doubt Fallout Online was nothing more than a scheme to keep the royalties flowing to Interplay.
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Jul 7, 2016 11:52:31 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 11:52:31 GMT -5
reading some of the comments on twitter, I think I might have worded the part about Legion in NV a bit awkwardly. the point wasn't that they 'had some good ideas' because they didn't and it wasn't my intention to imply they did. it was supposed to be more about how they had exactly the kind of bad ideas that would get traction in a lawless wasteland because they're a sort of counterpoint to everyone else there. one of those people who make long game analysis videos of youtube (not sure which one, probably Noah Caldwell-Gervais, MatthewMatosis or MrBtongue) expressed this concept of Legion as 'compellingly evil' better I both agree and disagree with that sentiment. Caeser's policies are inhumane and brutal, but that's exactly the kind of thing that mankind sort of needs when civilization has been reduced to such primitive, basic levels. It's more about survival at that point than freedom. Doesn't make it morally correct, but I can't say it's exactly wrong, either.
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Jul 7, 2016 12:44:14 GMT -5
Post by TΛPETRVE on Jul 7, 2016 12:44:14 GMT -5
That's debatable. I'd argue that "mankind" doesn't need jack shit. Tribalism is perfectly viable, and maybe even the better alternative. But of course people are spoiled by civilisation.
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