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Post by edmonddantes on Aug 25, 2016 3:13:52 GMT -5
So last week I found and bought Master of Monsters: Disciples of Gaia for $14. So far it seems to actually be pretty awesome, this coming from a guy who doesn't usually get into turn based strategy (I have an interest, its just that its a genre that keeps making me feel like I'm doing something wrong).
Here's what I want to know: If I liked this, would I enjoy the Sega Genesis originals?
Furthermore, I've heard there are Japan-exclusive installments--one for PC-Engine, one for the Saturn, and at least one for the PSP. There seems to be a chibi-fied spinoff called Masumon Kids as well. How playable are these without fluency in Japanese?
Thanks in advance.
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Post by ommadawnyawn2 on Aug 25, 2016 6:47:47 GMT -5
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Post by edmonddantes on Aug 25, 2016 22:20:55 GMT -5
It sounds like the Genesis game plays basically like the PS1 game.
Its weird that when I played the Genesis one as a kid I couldn't understand it while now it seems fairly self-explanatory. Maybe hex-based strategy was just too alien to me when I was 14.
Love that one of the campaign-only units is MUSHA--hey, an obscure Genesis game that contains another obscure Genesis game!
EDIT: Did some checking, apparently the guys behind Master of Monsters also did a series called Daisenryaku, which is of the "very popular in Japan but very few installments came to North America" variety. Now I need to check those out...
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Post by Weasel on Aug 25, 2016 22:52:10 GMT -5
Good luck with Daisenryaku - they're hellishly complicated hex based war games. I tried the one on Xbox - the level of complexity and detail you have to worry about is staggering.
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Post by Kubo Caskett on Aug 25, 2016 23:05:13 GMT -5
Good luck with Daisenryaku - they're hellishly complicated hex based war games. I tried the one on Xbox - the level of complexity and detail you have to worry about is staggering. Actually, I don't think Daisenryaku's too hard if you can get the hang of the strengths and weaknesses of the factions you play as: i.e. Japan doesn't have much offensive weaponry due to the Article 9 thing but compensates with defensive stuff while China has cheap stuff (which should be self explanatory) while USA is a powerhouse (and Russia matches that).
Come to think of it, I think that Daisenryaku HD game on the PS3 should come out here in the West; and those Moe Moe Niji Taisen stuff too for the heck of it.
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Post by edmonddantes on Aug 25, 2016 23:42:56 GMT -5
Heh, ran into an irony while looking up Daisenryaku. The only placed its mentined here on HG101 (besides the forums) is in an article on the Sega Ages re-releases, where the author said that a game where you play as the nazis would never fly in the west.
Well... he's almost right. I can think of precisely one game where you do, and as it happens, its a game that I just saw a wiki somewhere claim was "inspired" by Daisenryaku--Panzer General (which spawned a series and, somehow, actually saw release in Germany despite, you know, you play as the Nazis... though I seem to remember it was actually optional and you could play the Allies if you wanted, but the title makes it clear you're supposed to be the Nazis).
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Getting back to Master of Monsters, I was just ebay searching and saw someone selling a PC9801 game called Master of Monsters II, and apparently this is a case (like Hydlide and Eggerland Mystery) where some installments only exist on Japanese PCs.
It's starting to sound like these two series need HG101 articles. I don't know Japanese, but I'd be willing to try and acquire the games in the Master of Monsters series (because I'm more into fantasy than historical simulation) and send them off to someone who knows Japanese and/or has Japanese computers to play them on, and play editor on an article.
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Post by starscream on Aug 26, 2016 7:42:06 GMT -5
Master of Monsters originated on computers, most installments have been made available for Windows I believe. On PC-98 and Windows you have tools to hook text and use machine translation. The PSP game has a PS2 equivalent for which a translation patch is available. On Daisenryaku.: This struck me always as a more serious Advanced Wars. In the genre of historical military strategy, you can probably find the most accessible games in the Daisenryaku series. Which is why so many are actually available on consoles. The first western release was for the Saturn by Working Designs as Iron Storm. I was going to write " English release", but one of the first games already had English menus. The Advanced Daisenryaku subseries that Iron Storm is part of is Sega's WWII adaption which normally focuses very much on Germany as a force. The Saturn installment is an exception. Check out this page for translation patches. Panzer General had originally problems in Germany because of the manual. Military strategy as a genre is usually entirely sanitized of warcrimes and such, although there are games where you conduct nuclear strikes or massive aerial bombings.
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Post by edmonddantes on Aug 27, 2016 9:57:25 GMT -5
How does this hook text machine translation thing work? What emulator do I use (since I assume I need an emulator for this)?
I'm guessing there might be differences between the PC-98 releases and the later Windows ones?
Making it a point to pick up Iron Storm since my poor Saturn rarely gets any use (incidentally I'm glad Nintendo fanboys like the AVGN never heard of Daisenryaku because you know they would love to hear that Sega liked to focus on the Nazis).
..... In general, how many hex-based strategy games are covered on this site? I know of Vantage Master and.... that seems to be it. I have a few that I might be tempted to review sometime, but I don't have any comprehensive series knowledge so doing an article, at least doing it solo, is out. I'm still tempted to try collecting all the Master of Monsters games.
Since last time I posted, I also learned that there's a spinoff called MasuMon Kids (for the PS1 and maybe Saturn) as well as apparently a novel and/or a manga--both of those seem to be fairly recent.
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Post by kaoru on Aug 27, 2016 10:16:50 GMT -5
..... In general, how many hex-based strategy games are covered on this site? I know of Vantage Master and.... that seems to be it. Dunno if there's more, but at least Dragon Knight 4 is also hex-based strategy.
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Post by starscream on Aug 27, 2016 15:24:01 GMT -5
How does this hook text machine translation thing work? What emulator do I use (since I assume I need an emulator for this)? Google around for ITH, it's mostly used for Visual Novels. There should be some guides and videos to illustrate it. For PC-98 games, there's a special version of Nekoproject which is compatible. www.mediafire.com/download/ptonwq141atis1d/npkth.rar
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Post by edmonddantes on Aug 28, 2016 21:05:05 GMT -5
So, is there a game like Master of Monsters, but for portable systems?
I know there's an installment on the PSP (which I might get and just try to wiggle my way through). Besides that, the only other hex-based strategy I know of PERIOD for a portable system is Nectaris on Gameboy.
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Post by edmonddantes on Sept 13, 2016 1:20:13 GMT -5
I was on ebay and I happened to see this. Sidenote, I never understood the point of these auctions. "I ripped a page out of an old magazine! Buy it!" But anyway, my Japanese is minimal but it seems to have a bullet point that there's a PC-Engine exclusive campaign? Any info on this? I now own the Genesis one by the way and am quite loving it.
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Post by ticksmentat on Oct 6, 2019 1:10:42 GMT -5
Master of Monsters originated on computers, most installments have been made available for Windows I believe. On PC-98 and Windows you have tools to hook text and use machine translation. The PSP game has a PS2 equivalent for which a translation patch is available. I really have no idea how the "machine translation" works. I can swap pdfs, websites and documents from Japanese to English but menus inside of video games I think is another thing... unless I'm missing something? But most importantly, yes there is a patch to make the game playable in english. However, the patch only works on the ps2 v1.0 iso. I have found tons of sites to get the iso... but everyone must be a different version because it doesn't pass the checksum on the page listed to do the patch. www.romhacking.net/translations/ps2/patches/2034readme.txtAny tips on this machine translation OR where I can find the base 1.0 version of the ISO? Thanks in advance!
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