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Post by surnshurn on Jan 25, 2017 7:37:11 GMT -5
Like I said, it's human nature to find flaws in your present situation, even if there are a lot of reasons you should be grateful to be in that position to begin with. Besides, I thought you were all about 90s nostalgia? I love the 90s but that doesn't mean everything from them is good. I'm just not too crazy about 90s cynicism, it just seems petty today and on the flipside to that there was a lot of schmaltzy crap in the 90s too like "Chicken Soup for the Soul" or Full House (why in God's name did Netlfix bring that show back? Ugh.) And the majority of the decade really isn't anything too special for movies, at least not compared to the 70s and 80s (that was something I thought even as a kid during the 90s, that I much preferred movies from the prior two decades over most then current films, save for Jurassic Park of course) But I'm sorry, I've just been in a grumpy mood lately (can you guess why?) and we're getting way off topic. We also had the band Nirvana as the (ultimately depressing) voice of the masses. The 80's was the start of television advertising that was targeted at children. Focus groups became a thing where children with money would be picked up in malls, questioned, and given more money. Software development as an industry was a joke. Rebellion was ridiculed by the media. As far as "schmaltzy crap", you could look at Happy Days or Archie Comics or The Cosby Show for that kind of thing. Really there was some cool stuff in the 90's but a lot of it really got lost to confusion, especially in mainstream media, and especially as the 90's went on. As a kid from the 80's-90's whose only real granted software experience is "Oregon Trail", I'm not exactly shedding a torrent of tears for the younger generation. |
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Post by moran on Jan 25, 2017 9:28:31 GMT -5
Then you have a lot of music from the 90s like Marylin Manson and Nine Inch Nails and now I don't mean to bash it too much, Nine Inch Nails is good stuff at least, but what were these guys so angry about? Like I said, they hadn't seen nothing yet. Do you enjoy expressing your love of video games freely without feeling embarrassed? Being yourself and liking the music/movies/comic books that you do and being able to express that without fear of being torn to shreds by your peers? Not being called horrible, insensitive, and derogatory things just because of how you dress and how you wear your hair by complete strangers and people you actually know? Because it wasn't this good back then and that's why they were angry. As someone who had long hair, wore lots of black, and listened to a hell of a lot of metal music as a teenager, people like Marilyn Manson and Trent Reznor and their music, to name just a couple, really helped you feel comfortable with yourself against tide of hate over such menial things. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 11:27:56 GMT -5
I love the 90s but that doesn't mean everything from them is good. I'm just not too crazy about 90s cynicism, it just seems petty today and on the flipside to that there was a lot of schmaltzy crap in the 90s too like "Chicken Soup for the Soul" or Full House (why in God's name did Netlfix bring that show back? Ugh.) And the majority of the decade really isn't anything too special for movies, at least not compared to the 70s and 80s (that was something I thought even as a kid during the 90s, that I much preferred movies from the prior two decades over most then current films, save for Jurassic Park of course) But I'm sorry, I've just been in a grumpy mood lately (can you guess why?) and we're getting way off topic. Completely understand. I've been worrying that all of this Trump stuff is making me feel more negative about otherwise innocuous things, as well. |
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Post by Discoalucard on Jan 25, 2017 12:18:32 GMT -5
I haven't seen Fight Club the movie nor read the book and to be honest I can't stand it, it just seems like so much 90s era "woe is me" bullshit as if people in the 90s had any real reason to feel discontent and disenfranchised, fuckers hadn't seen nothing yet! Fight Club starts off like that but that's not really it's central purpose. It's more about how angry and alienated people can be manipulated for other purposes. It's still very relevant. The big issue with the movie is that it made Tyler's nihilism so appealing that when it came to self-reflect on it, it didn't do a good enough job of striking it down. It's a fantastic movie but a lot of people take the wrong messages from it. I kinda agree that Office Space is a little dated based on the whole "hierarchy of needs" for today's society...but it's still pretty funny, and the corporate satire is still relevant. It's way better than Sex and in the City, which barely made sense at the time (a writer living the high life in Manhattan?) and is even worse nowadays. Palahniuck is fun if you read Guts to an audience but is otherwise pretentious and unremarkable, Fight Club is no exception. Definitely really elevated by everyone working on it. I was at one of his readings and my brother almost fainted. It made me kinda sick too. In general Palahniuk is one of those authors I felt I outgrew because he focused too much on grossness and shock value, but I did like Survivor quite a bit, and wish they'd turned that into a movie instead of Choke. |
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Post by Snake on Jan 25, 2017 13:23:08 GMT -5
I haven't seen Fight Club the movie nor read the book and to be honest I can't stand it, it just seems like so much 90s era "woe is me" bullshit as if people in the 90s had any real reason to feel discontent and disenfranchised, fuckers hadn't seen nothing yet! Fight Club starts off like that but that's not really it's central purpose. It's more about how angry and alienated people can be manipulated for other purposes. It's still very relevant. The big issue with the movie is that it made Tyler's nihilism so appealing that when it came to self-reflect on it, it didn't do a good enough job of striking it down. It's a fantastic movie but a lot of people take the wrong messages from it. Haha, is that what people think about Fight Club? Geez, Griff, you should at least trying watching Fight Club at least once. To me, Fight Club seemed like an allegory for breaking free of The Matrix of consumerism and control. It was entertaining just for the character dynamics, especially when Edward Norton's character finally realizes what is actually going on. |
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Post by Discoalucard on Jan 25, 2017 14:03:45 GMT -5
Haha, is that what people think about Fight Club? Geez, Griff, you should at least trying watching Fight Club at least once. To me, Fight Club seemed like an allegory for breaking free of The Matrix of consumerism and control. It was entertaining just for the character dynamics, especially when Edward Norton's character finally realizes what is actually going on. It is, but that's only half of it. It's about human connection and loneliness, and how modern society tries to fill that gap with commercialism, and how that fundamentally doesn't work. "Break free from consumerism and control" is a pretty okay message, and that's why that part of the movie/book resonates so much, but "break free from consumerism through anarchy and terrorism" is not. Basically taking people's legitimate frustrations and manipulating it in negative ways, in this case, to create a cult. It also highlights how poor the networks are for men's emotional issues. But yeah, Fincher is a master director and the soundtrack is incredible. |
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Post by Snake on Jan 25, 2017 14:38:04 GMT -5
So very true. I really like how that element surrounding connection and loneliness is introduced in the beginning where Marla Singer/Helena Bonham Carter shows up to the help groups. There's something very funny, very cute about how 2 damaged and lonely people come together in such an awkward but organic way.
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Post by GamerL on Jan 25, 2017 21:45:12 GMT -5
Then you have a lot of music from the 90s like Marylin Manson and Nine Inch Nails and now I don't mean to bash it too much, Nine Inch Nails is good stuff at least, but what were these guys so angry about? Like I said, they hadn't seen nothing yet. Do you enjoy expressing your love of video games freely without feeling embarrassed? Being yourself and liking the music/movies/comic books that you do and being able to express that without fear of being torn to shreds by your peers? Not being called horrible, insensitive, and derogatory things just because of how you dress and how you wear your hair by complete strangers and people you actually know? Because it wasn't this good back then and that's why they were angry. As someone who had long hair, wore lots of black, and listened to a hell of a lot of metal music as a teenager, people like Marilyn Manson and Trent Reznor and their music, to name just a couple, really helped you feel comfortable with yourself against tide of hate over such menial things. That's a very good point and it makes a lot more sense now, I often forget just how tough things could be for outcasts back in the day. And also, I have a hard time not seeing the past through the lens of the present day, today artists usually tackle broad social and political issues, like Beyonce, so when I look at something music from the past I can't help but assume it's also making statements on broad social issues rather than personal ones. Fight Club starts off like that but that's not really it's central purpose. It's more about how angry and alienated people can be manipulated for other purposes. It's still very relevant. The big issue with the movie is that it made Tyler's nihilism so appealing that when it came to self-reflect on it, it didn't do a good enough job of striking it down. It's a fantastic movie but a lot of people take the wrong messages from it. Haha, is that what people think about Fight Club? Geez, Griff, you should at least trying watching Fight Club at least once. To me, Fight Club seemed like an allegory for breaking free of The Matrix of consumerism and control. It was entertaining just for the character dynamics, especially when Edward Norton's character finally realizes what is actually going on. Yeah, I guess I should actually see the movie. |
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Post by toei on Jan 26, 2017 15:21:40 GMT -5
GamerGriff-Things were still fucked up for a lot of people in the 90s, there are all kinds of problems that don't go away regardless of who might be president. And as bad as Office Space and bad jobs, I never really cared for that movie but a full time job is literally most of your life (and they might force you to do OT, too), so when your job sucks, your life sucks. It's a very real problem, particularly when you don't see any other opportunity. But I've had these moments where you life is in danger or things suddenly ge a lot worse and then you just hope you can go back to that life you hated a moment before, so I guess it's all relative.
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Post by llj on Jan 27, 2017 10:39:22 GMT -5
Lord of the Rings
*dons protective suit*
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Post by llj on Jan 27, 2017 10:41:36 GMT -5
Clockwork Orange's ending is very different in the movie - the last chapter is omited completely (I think it was cut from the American release of the book as well, for whatever reason). Not gonna spoil it, but it changes the message of the piece COMPLETELY. I know, but for me, the movie is in its message (and overall tone) WAY superior to the book. Burgess kind of chickened out, he wanted to have his cake and eat it too, whereas Kubrick took it to the logical conclusion. |
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Post by Discoalucard on Jan 27, 2017 10:49:48 GMT -5
Burgess kind of chickened out, he wanted to have his cake and eat it too, whereas Kubrick took it to the logical conclusion. Agreed, I hated the last chapter of the Clockwork Orange book (the original version), it just handwaved away the entire thing as "eh boys will be boys". |
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Post by GamerL on Jan 27, 2017 20:19:52 GMT -5
It seems like it was a rule of thumb that if Kubrick is adapting your book, it's going to be better than it, the guy was that much of a genius. Fullmetal Jacket was actually based on a book as well and I'm sure it's the same story. Although one exception may be Lolita, but I've never read the book nor seen the movie. (I know it gave us the term Lolicon though  ) |
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Post by alphex on Jan 27, 2017 20:30:36 GMT -5
I've seen Fight Club for the first time a couple of years ago, and tbh, I was underwhelmed. I knew about the twist before, but in terms of structure and pacing and all, it was obviously groundbreaking for its time, but... it's like Matrix and bullet time. Sure, it was influential as fuck, but that also means that this aspect of it feels way less special than it did when it was just out.
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Post by The Great Klaid on Jan 27, 2017 21:12:03 GMT -5
Lord of the Rings *dons protective suit* Eh it's so very different from each other, I have a hard time picking. |
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