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Post by kal on Jan 19, 2007 18:20:04 GMT -5
If anyone asks, I didn't tell you, but the massive art secret is thanks to all of our *revolutions* in art practically anything can be considered art. For example, a wedding cake made under the direction of an individual with a couple of aids should be considered art right well the same is true for video games it's the end result something new or remade into something else.
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Post by megatronbison on Jan 19, 2007 18:29:05 GMT -5
I know you guys are writing good arguments/counter arguments here but is anybody else as bored with this debate as the "new games journalism" one? I kinda hoped it woudn't creep onto this board
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2007 12:52:28 GMT -5
I don't understand why anyone would put so much thought on thinking about something like this. I personally don't care whether games are considered art or not -- I just enjoy playing them. ;D
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Post by jameseightbitstar on Jan 21, 2007 12:57:39 GMT -5
I like MP83.
But for the matter of that, why put much thought into anything instead of just playing our games?
Answer: Cuz if we didn't, this forum would only have five topics.
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Post by YourAverageJoe on Jan 21, 2007 16:54:09 GMT -5
Megatron Bison, while I respect your freedom of speech, I must inform you that you can choose not to talk in a topic that does not interrest you, or you feel has been abused to death. If you'd like to express your opinion on the actual topic, why not make a "Discussing Video Games' Positions as Art is Getting Boring" thread?
That being said, I'd more say that video games are a new medium, rather than a new art form. Just look at this forum, we're all interrested in the obscure, the less-played, but we can all appreciate when a good piece gets the attention it deserves. On the opposite, there are the "philestines", or mainstream gamers, who have far less knowledge of the scene, market and history than we do. This can really apply to any medium.
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Post by munchy on Jan 21, 2007 17:16:26 GMT -5
I don't understand why anyone would put so much thought on thinking about something like this. I personally don't care whether games are considered art or not -- I just enjoy playing them. ;D Yeah, that's pretty much my line of thinking.
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Post by Drawesome(Dale) on Jan 21, 2007 22:59:09 GMT -5
Of course their art. I also consider sim games art too because even the newest Madden takes liberties somewhere.
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Post by Scylla on Jan 22, 2007 17:51:12 GMT -5
It's silly to suggest that simulation games can't be art because look at the world of painting. I don't think anyone would argue that a painter (of pictures) isn't an artist, yet plenty of painters over the course of art history have strived for realism. If someone sits and sketches a ship on the sea or a mountain landscape, are they not being artistic, even as they strive to make their picture to look as close to reality as possible?
To suggest that simulation games aren't art is the same as stating that the Mona Lisa isn't art because it's a portrait of a real woman.
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Post by YourAverageJoe on Jan 22, 2007 18:29:49 GMT -5
On the other hand, Succubus, there was Picasso, the guy who could make photo-realistic paintings and wanted something different. He developed the style of cubism just because reality had been done to death and he didn't really consider it art.
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Post by necromaniac on Jan 22, 2007 18:42:24 GMT -5
Yeah, but everybody else did/does. And Picasso was an overrated lunatic anyways. (Sick and tired of hearing about him at school -_-)
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Post by YourAverageJoe on Jan 22, 2007 18:46:07 GMT -5
He may be overrated, but he paved the way for other types of surrealist works, kinda like Dragon Warrior was to CRPGs.
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Post by necromaniac on Jan 22, 2007 19:00:20 GMT -5
Nah, the Surrealist movement started without him and continues to evolve without his input. What he did do, however, was pave the way for cubism and abstractism of many sorts, but he was far from being the only one. His peers like Fernand Léger, Georges Braque and Juan Gris are equally as important, if not more so in many cases, but you seldom hear them mentioned because of the artistic elite's obsession with Picasso's treatment of his women and his weird remarks (Kind of like they were with Dali until his whoring for attention became sad). And just like Dragon Warrior, I feel like he hasn't aged favorably.
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Post by YourAverageJoe on Jan 22, 2007 19:29:37 GMT -5
Interresting. Just goes to show how little I know about the art world. I need to check out their work, and maybe take a course on art history.
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Post by necromaniac on Jan 23, 2007 8:06:53 GMT -5
Nah, don't mind my ramblings. It's just my personal opinion on a subject that I'm sick and tired of, didn't mean to go off like that. Well, getting back on topic, what do you all feel about games that feature minimalistic gameplay but strong focus on immersion such as Cloud or Panic!for example? Are they more artistic because of there focus, or even less because of their relative omission of the gameplay element. Or am I just babbling again?
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Post by kal on Jan 23, 2007 8:14:01 GMT -5
Rez
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