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Post by Discoalucard on Jul 30, 2017 13:22:24 GMT -5
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Post by aganar on Jul 31, 2017 20:59:16 GMT -5
It certainly had its moments. The most interesting parts, IMO, were finding out the back-stories of the other sheep and slowly mapping out who they were in reality. I felt far more compelled trying to figure out how to stop the other guys from dying than giving a **** about Vincent.
I was more disappointed by Erica than "outraged", per se. It just felt like such a missed opportunity. Given the other characters and their afflictions that are explored very thoughtfully, the trans element could've been interesting. But, nope, only exists to be a trap joke. Okay then.
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Post by kaoru on Aug 1, 2017 0:54:43 GMT -5
Yeah, it was mostly that ending joke that annoyed me with Erica. The little quibs throughout the game not even, because it is established that they all know each other since childhood and everyone gives each other a hard time, and Erica knows how to take it. But that ending tho.
Then again, this is a game that gives the girfriend that wants to tie you down the last name McBride, the M2F trans Anderson, and the cheated on guy Haddick. So... one should not expect much. Still, the introductions to the main trio are outstandingly terrible. Vincent is a doormat from the word Go, the first scene with Katherine is her breathing down his neck, and Catherine gets Vincent so shitfaced he doesn't even realize he slept with her (a.k.a rape). That is not a likeable cast.
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Post by jorpho on Aug 1, 2017 8:11:09 GMT -5
I'd still like to play this someday. Too bad there's still no PC or 3DS port.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 15:23:25 GMT -5
Yeah, it was mostly that ending joke that annoyed me with Erica. The little quibs throughout the game not even, because it is established that they all know each other since childhood and everyone gives each other a hard time, and Erica knows how to take it. But that ending tho. Then again, this is a game that gives the girfriend that wants to tie you down the last name McBride, the M2F trans Anderson, and the cheated on guy Haddick. So... one should not expect much. Still, the introductions to the main trio are outstandingly terrible. Vincent is a doormat from the word Go, the first scene with Katherine is her breathing down his neck, and Catherine gets Vincent so shitfaced he doesn't even realize he slept with her (a.k.a rape). That is not a likeable cast. These are valid criticisms, but I think it isn't meant to be taken too literally. I see it more as a commentary on the panic that sets in when a guy is confronted with the responsibility of adulthood. This is a really unusual topic to cover in a video game, so they exaggerate the main character's circumstances for comedic effect. The subject matter is a little too serious, otherwise, to be very entertaining in a game. I can't speak for anyone else on this board, but considering the fact that we're all nerds here, and man-children to varying degrees, I would think the story would hit home for a lot more people.
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Post by Snake on Aug 1, 2017 16:27:32 GMT -5
It's just a game. I wouldn't take the narrative too seriously. Overall, I found it to be pretty fun, funny, and entertaining. The multiple endings are a good touch. As if to suggest, there isn't an absolute right answer; but to know what you want in life, and pursue it without being wishy-washy. To me, it's akin to something like No More Heroes. There's commentary and observances to modern culture, but it does not need to be preachy or responsible for anything because its simply entertainment.
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Post by eatersthemanfool on Aug 1, 2017 16:27:42 GMT -5
Yeah, it was mostly that ending joke that annoyed me with Erica. The little quibs throughout the game not even, because it is established that they all know each other since childhood and everyone gives each other a hard time, and Erica knows how to take it. But that ending tho. Then again, this is a game that gives the girfriend that wants to tie you down the last name McBride, the M2F trans Anderson, and the cheated on guy Haddick. So... one should not expect much. Still, the introductions to the main trio are outstandingly terrible. Vincent is a doormat from the word Go, the first scene with Katherine is her breathing down his neck, and Catherine gets Vincent so shitfaced he doesn't even realize he slept with her (a.k.a rape). That is not a likeable cast. These are valid criticisms, but I think it isn't meant to be taken too literally. I see it more as a commentary on the panic that sets in when a guy is confronted with the responsibility of adulthood. This is a really unusual topic to cover in a video game, so they exaggerate the main character's circumstances for comedic effect. The subject matter is a little too serious, otherwise, to be very entertaining in a game. I can't speak for anyone else on this board, but considering the fact that we're all nerds here, and man-children to varying degrees, I would think the story would hit home for a lot more people. I'm not a man-child. You take that back you poopyhead.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 16:33:24 GMT -5
I'm not a man-child. You take that back you poopyhead. This is entirely conjecture, but it feels like Catherine's dad is based on Lum's father, as well.
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Post by Arale on Aug 1, 2017 18:02:25 GMT -5
It's just a game. I wouldn't take the narrative too seriously. Overall, I found it to be pretty fun, funny, and entertaining. The multiple endings are a good touch. As if to suggest, there isn't an absolute right answer; but to know what you want in life, and pursue it without being wishy-washy. To me, it's akin to something like No More Heroes. There's commentary and observances to modern culture, but it does not need to be preachy or responsible for anything because its simply entertainment. But... No More Heroes does have a big focus on message and theme. The gameplay is built around the story for this reason, and not the other way around. If it didn't have that focus, it would be, uh, No More Heroes 2.
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Post by GamerL on Aug 1, 2017 18:24:13 GMT -5
I think you also have to give the game somewhat of a break because it is a game from 2011, a lot's changed since then.
And you know what? Japanese media at least acknowledged trans peopled existed long before the vast majority of western media did, there's a similar joke in Persona 3, a game originally from 2006 and I was reading a manga from 2000 once where a guy goes to a bar populated mostly by trans women, in most instances it's treated in a humorous light, but I think there's a difference between poking fun at something and something explicitly hateful, while these guys may feel nervous or freaked out, they would never kill anyone over it, it's indicative I think of Japan's attitude towards LGBT in general, while they may not explicitly condone it, because it's a culture that's never been colonized by an Abrahamic Religion, they have no reason to explicitly condemn it either.
It also makes me think of Japan's stereotype of gay men as hyper masculine (seen in the video game world in the Cho Aniki series), again they're poking fun at it, but not in a hateful way (and interesting how the stereotype of gay men in Japan is literally the opposite of an American effeminate stereotype)
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Post by Arale on Aug 1, 2017 19:08:59 GMT -5
I don't even know where to start with that, so I won't.
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Post by GamerL on Aug 1, 2017 22:56:17 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear I've evidently upset you, I don't know what I said to do so but I apologize.
All I was trying to say is that basically if Japan pokes fun at LGBT subjects it's probably not coming from a place of pure maliciousness like it may be from a western source.
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Post by Échalote on Aug 2, 2017 5:22:45 GMT -5
All I was trying to say is that basically if Japan pokes fun at LGBT subjects it's probably not coming from a place of pure maliciousness like it may be from a western source. Dude, the idea behind Erica's arc is that she is leading straight men astray and is being punished for it.
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Post by GamerL on Aug 2, 2017 6:08:42 GMT -5
All I was trying to say is that basically if Japan pokes fun at LGBT subjects it's probably not coming from a place of pure maliciousness like it may be from a western source. Dude, the idea behind Erica's arc is that she is leading straight men astray and is being punished for it. I haven't actually played Catherine and was making an assumption on what happens, sorry about that... I thought it was something like in Persona 3, but that was dumb, right? Again, sorry.
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Post by kaoru on Aug 2, 2017 9:01:55 GMT -5
I can't speak for anyone else on this board, but considering the fact that we're all nerds here, and man-children to varying degrees, I would think the story would hit home for a lot more people. I guess. I personally just was pretty much turned off by all three characters right away and was constantly thinking that neither of them is relationship material and everyone would be better of to go their seperate ways. Which of course does not align with the very limited narrow minded scope of Catherine. It is hilarious how the game for a good 90% presses you into the direction of Katherine, only to nevermind in the final night, because those answers are really the only ones that change the story or its outcome into one of the three main ones. And those meta-ish questionairs are also extremely limited in what answers you can give taken the subject matter. Does life begin or end with marraige y/n? How sad are both those answers. I guess Catherine has the problem that is is just a very Japanese game. With the very limited tight outlook on relationships that their society has. Why is marriage such a big deal? Why does not wanting to marry mean anything on how serious your relationship is? Why does a demon even care about the marriage rate, if the end game is the birth rate, when fucking around without attachment (and protection) is a way better solution? Because Japanese society by large expects you to get married by 30 and because they find the thought of having a kid before being married impossible. I actually watched a super saddening documentary of the gay scene in Tokyo once, where one of the interview questions to the young gay guys was where they see themselves in the future. And the majority answered that they'll marry a woman and start a family, for the sole reason that this is what they think is expected of them.
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