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Post by cj iwakura on Nov 3, 2017 20:23:16 GMT -5
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Post by X-pert74 on Nov 3, 2017 20:34:47 GMT -5
Which Touhou game is this? I've never followed this series at all, but aren't there like a billion Touhou games (not even counting fan games)?
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Post by cj iwakura on Nov 3, 2017 20:36:09 GMT -5
Which Touhou game is this? I've never followed this series at all, but aren't there like a billion Touhou games (not even counting fan games)? There's... at least 16? This is 16. Mainline games always have that distinct ZUN art style, and they're curtain fire shmups.  |
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Post by X-pert74 on Nov 3, 2017 20:49:50 GMT -5
Which Touhou game is this? I've never followed this series at all, but aren't there like a billion Touhou games (not even counting fan games)? There's... at least 16? This is 16. Mainline games always have that distinct ZUN art style, and they're curtain fire shmups. Ah, ok. Thanks for the info. By the way, I'm clicking the link in your first post, but it's not working. I'm on my phone, if that has something to do with it. |
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Post by condroid on Nov 3, 2017 20:53:45 GMT -5
There's a ton of English-only titles on every regional Steam store. Is that also the work of 'xenophobes'? |
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Post by 1upsuper on Nov 3, 2017 21:22:36 GMT -5
ZUN is extremely anal about modifications to his games and has strong convictions about the right and wrong ways to play. And he has a fanbase very receptive to and protective of his vision. Just the way it goes sometimes.
Personally, I think he should loosen up and look into officially localizing the main games, given that even the console spin-offs manage to move some copies here.
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Post by ommadawnyawn2 on Nov 4, 2017 0:40:38 GMT -5
Don't get why it's xenophobic?
Also don't get the appeal of the games though, they seem pretty thrown together and unoriginal to me.
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Post by Ike on Nov 4, 2017 1:09:31 GMT -5
Don't get why it's xenophobic? Also don't get the appeal of the games though, they seem pretty thrown together and unoriginal to me. They seem to mostly be in the realm of people who like to jack it to their favorite character, so basically like most obscure anime games |
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Post by novicola on Nov 4, 2017 1:28:08 GMT -5
Also don't get the appeal of the games |
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Post by silentstorm on Nov 4, 2017 4:12:10 GMT -5
Also don't get the appeal of the games though, they seem pretty thrown together and unoriginal to me. They are pratically the first Shmups that many people played due to it's anime look that were made just for PC, the games themselves are not that bad, the mediocre art is thought by fans to have a kind of charm to it, and, most importantly of all, there's the music, the Touhou games all have great music: So there is a big remix community or just people who love the soundtracks in general. Of course there is also the setting(what with barriers separating worlds and use of japanese folklore and culture for the characters and setting with youkai and a few western elements or two) and characters that somehow managed to grab the attention of a lot of people, leading to an expanded universe with other games, anime, mangas and an actual book or two alongside information ZUN provided, this has also led to a relatively big fanfic community, not to mention just a community in general with memes and jokes, it has gotten to a point that it is said that many Touhou fans have never played or beaten any game in the franchise, they are just there for the characters and setting. |
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Post by ommadawnyawn2 on Nov 4, 2017 6:34:35 GMT -5
I'll admit that I've just watched a few of the games so I can't really judge how they play, just say that they look generic (I feel like there's hundreds of anime-based 90s games with pretty much the same character designs on PCE CD, PS1 & SAT) and since I'm not really into bullet hell I never got around to playing them. The music was perhaps my first contact with them and it's pretty catchy, just not super memorable to me and the production is kind of average.
This moe/lolita (?) stuff isn't for me but anime aesthetics is generally a plus in a game and I don't really mind cutesy. I like Pocky & Rocky, Cotton and Fantasy Zone for example and to me they look much nicer than these games.
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Post by Gendo Ikari on Nov 4, 2017 7:01:58 GMT -5
At this point, there are several games on the Steam store that are in Japanese or Chinese only. There are even many old games by Koei (Aoki Ookami to Shiroki Mejika, earlier episodes of Romance of the Three Kingdoms and Nobunaga's Ambition, Uncharted Waters, Winning Post... all parts of the "Kou Shubusawa Archives"), all untranslated.
So the OP sounds honestly silly to me, unless there's some beef towards ZUN or Touhou I'm not aware of. Are you going to call the makers and publishers of the above games xenophobic, too?
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Post by kaoru on Nov 4, 2017 7:06:20 GMT -5
Don't get why it's xenophobic? Also don't get the appeal of the games though, they seem pretty thrown together and unoriginal to me. They seem to mostly be in the realm of people who like to jack it to their favorite character, so basically like most obscure anime games Which is weird, considering how universally shit the art in the mainline games is. You might as well jack it to your garbage bin. --- Also, there's been quite a few Chinese only releases on Steam recently too, so I don't see how this being Japanese only is such a big deal. It's not like they say more than "uguuuu~" and "onii-san itai" anways. |
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Post by silentstorm on Nov 4, 2017 7:14:34 GMT -5
It probably helps that ZUN started making Touhou games in...let's see, according to Google, 1997!
I am not sure, but i think he got at the right time where Doujin Games still weren't so common yet were starting to become popular, they were okay arcade games for PC, the art style was okay if mediocre which people apparently found had it's charm and Moe(which i don't mind) was starting to get popular.
Then he moved on from PC-98 and to Windows and rebooted the whole thing making the characters talk more and having at least a bit of a plot, the games apparently got better, ZUN started talking about the setting, Doujin games started to explode and it was then that Touhou started to become popular leading to a community obsessed with the universe and characters, it's amazing how much fanfiction there is of Touhou, or just plain mangas and stories, not to mention fan art and other works, i am not kidding when i say there are fans that have never played the games, some people just really like the universe.
That being said, it is certainly overrated and i can't help but feel that if Touhou came out today it wouldn't have gotten as much attention as it does now.
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Post by Gendo Ikari on Nov 4, 2017 7:18:03 GMT -5
I'm now recalling that it was said in recent years, ZUN realized how little of the popularity of Touhou is due to the actual games, so he basically wasn't that happy even with the actual fanbase of his own creation  Take it with a grain of salt however, as I've never frequented any Touhou-related community. Touhou is still interesting and not to dismiss easily for how what was supposed to be a niche title generated, from the 2002 game onwards, such huge underground phenomenon; of course there's the all-female cast but it's not that the Japanese market has ever lacked "moe" stuff before and after. With the huge volume fanarts, doujinshi, music remixes, fangames of any possible genre released at every Comiket (doubly ironic since Touhou itself is a doujin title), even a few fan-made anime, you'd think it's some franchise handled by a big Japanese studio/corporation while it's anything but. Which is weird, considering how universally shit the art in the mainline games is. It's gotten a little better but I see it's still mediocre. The merit goes probably to other artists who've drawn the characters better. Dunno, it seems that every few years, in Japan, something that is intended to be niche is created, but somehow manages to explode and become hugely popular. Happened in 2007 with Vocaloid and again in 2013 with Kantai Collection. I agree with you consideration that Embodiment of Scarlet Devil (the 2002 Touhou game) probably came just at the right time, though. |
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Take it with a grain of salt however, as I've never frequented any Touhou-related community.