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Post by Woody Alien on Feb 17, 2018 12:42:17 GMT -5
www.hardcoregaming101.net/huniepop/Since JDarkside doesn't write on the forum anymore, I'll open the topic for him. Huniepop can be considered offensive, but still, putting together puzzle game and dating sim is something that hasn't been done before (and outside of an Eastern clone hasn't been done again) and the puzzle part itself is well-made, solid and addictive enough. So I don't understand why the developer would change everything with Hunie Cam Studio, which seems like one of those "parody" games that however do everything like the thing they're supposed to mock, just with more vulgarity, and it's just boring, repetitive and not as "edgy" as they think it is. Also with a lame art style that may be compared to the Facebook games it mocks but it's unfit to the themes. However, an actual Huniepop 2 sequel is in the works and it should come out later this year. Let's see where it goes. Also, in the article it should be "Aiko" and not "Akio".
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Post by brunocar02 on Feb 18, 2018 8:48:42 GMT -5
dont know why the whole tirade about it being offensive was there, its like spending a whole paragraph on a MW2 review talking about no russian, i mean, of course its gonna be offensive, its kind of the point.
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Post by Arale on Feb 18, 2018 11:44:56 GMT -5
dont know why the whole tirade about it being offensive was there, its like spending a whole paragraph on a MW2 review talking about no russian, i mean, of course its gonna be offensive, its kind of the point. I miss when "intentionally offensive" meant "sacrilegious" or "anti-government" instead of "racist"
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Post by toei on Feb 18, 2018 12:32:29 GMT -5
dont know why the whole tirade about it being offensive was there, its like spending a whole paragraph on a MW2 review talking about no russian, i mean, of course its gonna be offensive, its kind of the point. Self-defeating argument there. The point of the article is to explain the point of the game. If the game is offensive by design, the article can't gloss over it. I personally have no interest for or feeling about the series, if it matters.
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Post by finalventcard on Feb 18, 2018 23:24:11 GMT -5
I think part of the problem with this game is that, as much as it might beat itself on its chest for being real, maaaaan~, its tone is just... unnecessary.
Crush Crush is basically the same as HuniePop: you're a hapless person (marshmallow?) who gets some help from a fairy to engage with a bevy of women. Crush Crush has a variety of women (Kama and Sutra are Indian, Fumi and Ayane are Japanese), but doesn't stray into needless racial humor (No "CHING CHONG, FORTUNE COOKIE ALWAYS WRONG" or whatever). The game has its sarcastic moments, but it's never rude. I mean, Pamu is walking sexual innuendo, and she feels downright tasteful compared to Hunie Pop.
HuniePop's way of "parodying" visual novels is by... doing the same thing as a generic visual novel, but pretending it's above it all. That just feels like pretense. It's lazy satire, no comment on the genre or anything. Crush Crush at least knows it's ridiculous but celebrates it. I mean, you date a bear *and* a hologram. And a Lina Inverse-expy.
I just really dislike HuniePop, if that isn't obvious. The tactless racial humor makes me gnash my teeth, the drinking mechanic just turns me off entirely. We need more games that portray sex in a comedic way. HuniePop is not that game.
A pity Venus' design got wasted on this game.
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Post by brunocar02 on Feb 19, 2018 7:51:50 GMT -5
dont know why the whole tirade about it being offensive was there, its like spending a whole paragraph on a MW2 review talking about no russian, i mean, of course its gonna be offensive, its kind of the point. Self-defeating argument there. The point of the article is to explain the point of the game. If the game is offensive by design, the article can't gloss over it. I personally have no interest for or feeling about the series, if it matters. not really, MW2 doesnt need you to highlight how horrible are the crimes you commit on no russian for you to describe how the game is. in the case of huniepop, while i do believe that it is worth at least highlighting since part of the dialog is meant to be intentionally racist (mostly the fairy's, who's name i forgot), that much i agree with, but the article goes to such lenght to highlight it that it misses the point that its all supposed to be a parody of how vapid and borderline misagonistic visual novels in general are, its basically the same thing as critizising hotline miami for being too violent, huniepop takes it to the extreme so that the commentary is a little more obvious. they did realise that the sequel was a parody of simplistic facebook games and how much of a blank slate they are, so its seems weird that they didnt see it in huniepop
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Post by Arale on Feb 20, 2018 23:34:37 GMT -5
Probably because, as the article pointed out, the developers of HuniePop don't seem to see it that way, instead priding themselves as making it "realistic". (Again, this is according to the article.)
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Post by blackdrazon on Feb 21, 2018 1:27:48 GMT -5
Hunie has some elements of parody, but I don't think the bigotry is part of it. From what I've seen of the developer, it's a reverse Poe's Law: genuine dickery that can be mistaken for parody. FWIW, I also used to think the original game's bigotry was (weak, ineffective) parody, but it really doesn't seem to be the case.
And even if the bigotry was parody, I'm with finalventcard: doing the same thing, changing almost nothing and commenting barely or not at all, and then calling it a "parody" is a bad trend that deserves to be roasted. And so to with HunieCam: so you made a shitty game. Do you want me to clap?
Long story short, imho the series more than justifies and deserves the criticism.
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Post by brunocar02 on Feb 21, 2018 8:24:57 GMT -5
Hunie has some elements of parody, but I don't think the bigotry is part of it. From what I've seen of the developer, it's a reverse Poe's Law: genuine dickery that can be mistaken for parody. FWIW, I also used to think the original game's bigotry was (weak, ineffective) parody, but it really doesn't seem to be the case. And even if the bigotry was parody, I'm with finalventcard: doing the same thing, changing almost nothing and commenting barely or not at all, and then calling it a "parody" is a bad trend that deserves to be roasted. And so to with HunieCam: so you made a shitty game. Do you want me to clap? Long story short, imho the series more than justifies and deserves the criticism. oh its a shitty parody, with that i agree, its humor is based on "hey you know that thing, here, have it but way too exagerated", its no masterpiece, but i dont believe its meant to be discriminatory in any way, why would you make a fairy talk like she uses 4chan on a daily basis other than for laughs?
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Post by blackdrazon on Feb 21, 2018 17:27:19 GMT -5
Hunie has some elements of parody, but I don't think the bigotry is part of it. From what I've seen of the developer, it's a reverse Poe's Law: genuine dickery that can be mistaken for parody. FWIW, I also used to think the original game's bigotry was (weak, ineffective) parody, but it really doesn't seem to be the case. And even if the bigotry was parody, I'm with finalventcard: doing the same thing, changing almost nothing and commenting barely or not at all, and then calling it a "parody" is a bad trend that deserves to be roasted. And so to with HunieCam: so you made a shitty game. Do you want me to clap? Long story short, imho the series more than justifies and deserves the criticism. oh its a shitty parody, with that i agree, its humor is based on "hey you know that thing, here, have it but way too exagerated", its no masterpiece, but i dont believe its meant to be discriminatory in any way, why would you make a fairy talk like she uses 4chan on a daily basis other than for laughs? Even if we accept that Kyu is meant as a parody (I don't think the joke is adequate to prove that), the problem problem extends beyond her, into the booze system, the gifts, numerous elements of HunieCam, etc. And personally, between what I've seen of the author and the shallowness of any potential parody, still don't see Kyu as a valid parody to begin with. I think I'm done talking about this, but some core points: I'm of the opinion that parody has to be crystal-clear when it comes to matters of discrimination, because intent is irrelevant when it comes to discrimination. Short of parody, discrimination is discrimination whether you intended it to be or not, and that's why the parody has to be extra good. Hunie is either not a parody or a very, very bad parody, and neither is enough to shield it from claims of discrimination. And even if were an iron-clad parody, criticisms of its parody and the discrimination those expose would still deserve to be in an article about the game. Personally, I still enjoy HuniePop, but I feel it's absolutely as bad as criticized.
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Post by starfang on Feb 26, 2018 16:53:30 GMT -5
I think it would've get away with the discrimination accuse if the writing took a piss at all the races instead of picking on someone only. Granted, with such low craft of writing, it could be still bad and unfunny, but not for racism.
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Post by Woody Alien on Jul 21, 2021 9:51:30 GMT -5
So the real sequel to the first game came out this year after like 3 or 4 years of promises, and it's now based on threesomes, translating to even more complex puzzle mechanics. However, unlike the first one, I have seen barely anyone talk about it. Is it because too much time has passed since then? Or because in today's climate it would be considered too offensive to even exist? Or because everybody now has worse stuff to worry about? What is your opinion?
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Post by dsparil on Jul 22, 2021 12:26:32 GMT -5
I think the main one is simply the lack of novelty the second time around. There's never been a shortage of adult games, but the first one coming from a developer with credits at a large mainstream studio did raise its profile. That being said, the sequel did sell 100k in two days so people did buy it. I guess there just isn't anything new to say. Maybe if there was some huge jump in ambition compared to the first game, but from reviews, it looks like it dropped the mild dating sim element and didn't really replace it with anything.
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Post by JDarkside on Oct 14, 2021 16:32:15 GMT -5
Came here to see if anyone had commented on my recent DOOM articles and saw this thread so I figured I'd throw my two cents real fast on where I am now with these games. Basically, I sometimes replay the original, but I put the sequel and developer on ignore on Steam after I found out that said main developer had supported a certain movement obsessed with "ethics in game journalism." I never found proof of this during my initial background check, only well after. As a result, I don't plan to ever cover the sequel or any games he works on. I think the first game works in spite of the developer. There's a certain level of polish to the presentation and enough white noise via long puzzle segments if you never use the drinking mechanic that I can easily tune out the edgy chan stuff. I wrote a fairly rambling article going over this. bithedarkside.wordpress.com/2017/11/08/full-course-huniepop/The other Hunie games completely trip over themselves into being as obnoxiously racist and offensive as possible - as does the developer. When Steam was delisting a bunch of adult games with girl on girl themes, he stole a lot of the coverage by calling it a "boobpocolypse" and completely rewriting what was actually going on (a fundimentalist group was going after games they saw as celebrating homosexuality and were mass reporting). I'm just glad Hunie got popular enough that there's a bunch of smaller studios churning these games out with far less edge if you have an interest in smutty anime games with simple bejeweled puzzles. It's still the top of the pile but now it at least has direct competition.
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