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Post by Woody Alien on Mar 8, 2018 6:21:50 GMT -5
I think it's blown out of proportions. Sure, it's crass exploitation of nostalgia, but so were all the Transformers/Jem/Ninja Turtles/whatever films and the tons of 80s styled stuff from Stranger Things to Crossing Souls. Who gives a shit? Did they, as South Park said, rape their childhood or something? I think that at this point RPO has become the new "Rick & Morty" in that everyone feels the need to say how they hate it, regardless of whether they watched/read it or not. My question is another: is Spielberg finished as a director? It doesn't seem that people really cared much about his recent films, from the late 2000s up to and including "The Post". And seeing how the people are reacting to RPO, it could be that people really don't respect him any more and/or see him as just another director who's out of touch.
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Post by Bumpyroad on Mar 8, 2018 6:49:32 GMT -5
My question is another: is Spielberg finished as a director? It doesn't seem that people really cared much about his recent films, from the late 2000s up to and including "The Post". And seeing how the people are reacting to RPO, it could be that people really don't respect him any more and/or see him as just another director who's out of touch. It seems a bit, that he's been stuck in the terminal at 'Passport Check'. Hardly anyone manage to come back, Scorsese, F.F. Coppola, Coen brothers to name a few.
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Post by GamerL on Mar 8, 2018 7:17:10 GMT -5
My question is another: is Spielberg finished as a director? It doesn't seem that people really cared much about his recent films, from the late 2000s up to and including "The Post". And seeing how the people are reacting to RPO, it could be that people really don't respect him any more and/or see him as just another director who's out of touch. I think Spielberg basically blew his reputation with Kingdom of The Crystal Skull, in the almost ten years since then not a single movie he's done has really made waves like they used to, from what I've seen, which was Tintin, War Horse, Lincoln and Bridge of Spies, they're all good movies, but not ones that really inspire passion and with the closest exception being Lincoln, were not movies that garnered a ton of attention. Prior to Crystal Skull things were already on shaky ground because not everyone liked the movies he was putting out, I think the shaky ground really started with The Lost World, then AI went over a lot of people's heads, plus a lot of people disliked War of The Worlds and then there was The Terminal, which got a lot of hate, but you better believe his movies still got people talking, a Spielberg movie was still something that made people stop and take notice, even if they didn't like what they saw afterward. But that all ended with Crystal Skull and that's a really big change if you think about it, as far as Spielberg movies that both got people's attention and also most people liked he hasn't hit it out of the park in the summer blockbuster vein since Jurassic Park and in the "prestige picture" category since Saving Private Ryan, both of which were 25 and 20 years ago, that's quite sad when you think about it. That's not say he hasn't made good movies since then, personally I think the best Spielberg movie of modern times is Minority Report, which is a well liked movie but was not a huge hit on the level of Jurassic Park obviously, he's reached that stage a lot of musicians have where after their career has gone on for decades and they may still continue to put out quality stuff, but it lacks the passion and the "spark" they had when they were younger and they mostly coast on their reputation. I keep having this fantasy though that he'll knock it out of the park one last time with a summer blockbuster that's as well received as Jurassic Park was, but it's clear that RPO will not be that movie, since everyone and their grandmother has decided to fucking despise it before they've even seen it, which frankly I think is bullshit, even if you hated the book there's no reason not to give the movie a chance, Jaws is a terrible book but one of the best movies ever made, a lot can change in the leap from page to screen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 16:29:25 GMT -5
There's plenty of entertainment out there for people to experience. The world will not grieve if one movie gets unfairly maligned.
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Post by alphex on Mar 8, 2018 18:15:57 GMT -5
Somehow that line of reasoning reminds me of "you killed a rock band!" "Who cares? There's too many of them anyways". Forgot which movie that was from, though.
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Post by GamerL on Mar 8, 2018 18:26:08 GMT -5
There's plenty of entertainment out there for people to experience. The world will not grieve if one movie gets unfairly maligned. This isn't just any movie, it's a Spielberg movie and I just think it's a shame he no longer has a place in culture where that really meant something to where people would give him the benefit of the doubt. But it is also understandable after Crystal Skull.
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Post by 🧀Son of Suzy Creamcheese🧀 on Mar 8, 2018 18:34:42 GMT -5
Crystal Skull is one thing, but this is also a movie based on a book that has gotten...mixed reception, with a pretty bad looking trailer IMO and with *that* poster. I doubt Crystal Skull is really the first thing that comes to people minds if they hear of a new Spielburg movie coming out anyway. Not saying it didn't have any effect, but people/brands/companies can bounce back from stuff.
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Post by GamerL on Mar 8, 2018 18:43:14 GMT -5
Crystal Skull is one thing, but this is also a movie based on a book that has gotten...mixed reception, with a pretty bad looking trailer IMO and with *that* poster. I doubt Crystal Skull is really the first thing that comes to people minds if they hear of a new Spielburg movie coming out anyway. Not saying it didn't have any effect, but people/brands/companies can bounce back from stuff. It's not all Crystal Skull's fault, Crystal Skull was the culmination of a decade of shaky ground for Spielberg, people as a rule did not like Lost World, AI and War of The Worlds, Crystal Skull, since the whole idea was that it would be a "return to form" but wound up being the worst of all those, was the straw that broke the camel's back.
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Post by alphex on Mar 8, 2018 19:40:23 GMT -5
Wasn't there a rumor Spielberg was not very involved into Lost World actually, only having done some scenes? I think the consensus is that it's probably not true, but the fact that this rumor even started kinda says a lot about his reputation back then, that people could not conceive the idea of a lukewarm Spielberg movie.
(Also, I've seen the movie once, in a theater when I was 11, and it was awesome for me back then, so I don't really consider it a bad movie. Although I think I've seen parts of it again ever since?)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 20:00:00 GMT -5
It was like the book, merely okay. The ending is pretty dumb, though.
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Post by Feynman on Mar 8, 2018 20:25:23 GMT -5
The thing about Spielberg is... he's old. I don't mean that as a slight, just that folks learn how to do things a certain way, and it's pretty normal for a creative talent to become less mindblowing and revolutionary as they age. We get used to the way they do things, so it's less fresh, and because they're so used to doing things a certain way, they become less likely to create something wildly innovative or remarkable.
To use an example from video games because I am a big nerd, Shigeru Miyamoto is a hugely influential and innovative game designer, but the new Mario and Zelda games that are such huge hits? He wasn't the driving creative force behind them. He didn't have anything to do with Splatoon, Nintendo's biggest new IP.
Eventually the old heroes have to be replaced with the new. That's true in any creative medium.
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Post by ZenithianHero on Mar 8, 2018 21:05:06 GMT -5
Huh didn't remember AI or War of Worlds being hated. I guess shrugged off overtime? Like, you know what Spielberg movies come to mind but not too many of his modern stuff is as recognized.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 21:11:49 GMT -5
AI definitely caught a lot of flak when it was released. People were saying that Spielberg "ruined" Kubrick's last film, but Kubrick kind of did that all on his own.
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Post by GamerL on Mar 8, 2018 21:34:47 GMT -5
It was like the book, merely okay. The ending is pretty dumb, though. Yup, I like The Lost World movie fine, it's Spielberg letting his inner year 13 year old boy out to play and isn't even trying to replicate the "staring up in wonder" vibe of the first movie, it's to Jurassic Park what Temple of Doom was to Raiders, radically different in tone but if you can get on the movie's wavelength it's fun. However the ending is dumb, I can see what Spielberg was going for, he wanted to surprise people and it was a surprise, but it's also too ridiculous, they should have stuck with the original finale which have been a larger scale raptor attack in the abandoned village only partly seen in the final movie. AI definitely caught a lot of flak when it was released. People were saying that Spielberg "ruined" Kubrick's last film, but Kubrick kind of did that all on his own. And War of the Worlds made everyone go "huh, that's it?" with it's abrupt ending and everyone also hated that the son survived against all odds.
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Post by eatersthemanfool on Mar 8, 2018 23:37:48 GMT -5
So fwiw, Yes I'm going to watch RPO. I will probably wait until it goes to DVD. I found the book to be mediocre with a lot of problematic elements, but I enjoyed it enough to finish reading it. I expect the movie will be more of the same, or possibly better. (That wouldn't be hard.)
I also read the sequel. In some ways it was better, but it wasn't better enough to recommend to anybody who didn't like the first book.
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