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Post by Discoalucard on Oct 25, 2008 15:57:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2008 17:30:01 GMT -5
Great to see this one up. There isn't many well-written information in English regarding the whole Eggerland series (which Adventures of Lolo games are part of), so this article really comes in handy for those wanting to learn more about the series.
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Post by zzz on Oct 25, 2008 18:16:15 GMT -5
Good stuff. Real nice series, too.
And thanks to MP83 for everything. Never woulda gotten around to writing this thing without your assistance.
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Post by Justinzero on Oct 25, 2008 18:54:54 GMT -5
Awesome, I am really excited to read this, and I am sure it will answer all my questions.
Did you let all the members at ALoY know about his MP83?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2008 19:18:37 GMT -5
All the members? Nah. Only the few ones that might actually care.
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Post by ReyVGM on Oct 26, 2008 0:02:24 GMT -5
"and have made an appearance in the Puyo Puyo clone Kirby's Avalanche. " Kirby's Avalanche (and Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine) is just a port of the Japanese Super Puyo Puyo game, so that makes it a localization and not really a clone. That's like saying Super Mario Bros 2 is a clone of Doki Doki Panic Other than that, great article. I think Lolo has made other cameo appearances but right now I can't quite place where.
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Post by zzz on Oct 26, 2008 3:00:48 GMT -5
MP83 just informed me of something interesting that could be added to the article.
In the final paragraph for Eggerland 2, after this sentence...
However, even though the manual and box cover are translated to English, its extremely rarity and the fact that the game itself is completely unaltered suggest that this version is more likely than not an unofficial release.
... put the following sentence:
And if you look closely, the original Japanese label is hidden behind the English one, making its bootleg status all but certain.
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Post by hashin on Oct 26, 2008 3:55:29 GMT -5
Aww this is the cutest thing I have ever seen. I feel happy just looking at it
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Post by ReyVGM on Oct 26, 2008 5:01:06 GMT -5
Where exactly? I looked at the cover and I didn't find anything. Another thing, Eggerland 2 wasn't just designed for the MSX2, there was an Eggerland 2 released for MSX1 first and then came the MSX2 version. The MSX1 and 2 deal is a lot like the GB and GBC game releases. Some games came out for the GB and then got re-releases on the GBC. Sometimes even just a few months later such as the American Game & Watch Gallery 2 which was released for the GB and a few months later it was released for the GBC. And just like there are GBC games that play on the GB or SGB, there were MSX2 games that played "downgraded" on the MSX1. The Eggerland 2 MSX2 version plays on the MSX1, but there was also an specific MSX1 version released. Unfortunately, the obscurity and lack of information makes it difficult to find boxarts or people knowledgeable that have a clear distinction of what official and unofficial releases are. Here's a topic about it. I ask specifically if Eggerland 2 had two releases, one for MSX and another for MSX2. They weren't very clear on their answers and all signs pointed to one release playable on both systems. www.msx.org/forumtopic6666.htmlHowever, that same person on another topic (check the 8th post) says that Eggerland 2 was a MSX1 release too. www.msx.org/forumtopic6634p165.html
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2008 6:10:11 GMT -5
Where exactly? I looked at the cover and I didn't find anything. ZZZ means the English cartridge label, not showed in the article: Another thing, Eggerland 2 wasn't just designed for the MSX2, there was an Eggerland 2 released for MSX1 first and then came the MSX2 version. As far as I know, there's only two releases of this game: The Japanese one called just "Meikyuu Shinwa" bearing the MSX2 logo, and the European one called "Eggerland 2" bearing both the MSX1 and MSX2 logos (since the game has always been fully playable on MSX1 systems from the very beginning, just with different color schemes, but the Japanese covers are hiding this fact for some reason). The ROMs used in the cartridges on both releases are 100% the same. Ah, Vampier. He's right in a sense that the game is fully playable on MSX1 systems, but it also works on MSX2 systems (but with a different color palette), so it's a MSX2 game too. In other words Meikyuu Shinwa / Eggerland 2 is a MSX1/MSX2 game. For some reason HAL Labs. wanted to disguise it as a MSX2 only game, but whoever released it in Europe as "Eggerland 2" decided to "reveal" the truth. The reason why I believe Meikyuu Shinwa (aka Eggerland 2) being designed as a MSX2 game is the fact that the Japanese version doesn't have MSX1 marks anywhere on the covers. That and the color palette being more vibrant when played on MSX2 systems, making the game to look slightly better.
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Post by ReyVGM on Oct 26, 2008 7:39:04 GMT -5
As far as I know, there's only two releases of this game: The Japanese one called just "Meikyuu Shinwa" bearing the MSX2 logo, and the European one called "Eggerland 2" bearing both the MSX and MSX2 logos (since the game has always been fully playable on MSX1 systems from the very beginning, just with different color schemes, but the Japanese covers are hiding this fact for some reason). The ROMs used in the cartridges on both releases are 100% the same. Yeah, it's the same thing as GB and GBC games. There are games advertised as MSX2 games that can be played on the MSX1, just like there are games advertised as GBC and can be played on the GB or SGB. There are also MSX2 only games that cannot be played on the MSX1, just like there are GBC only games that cannot be played on the GB. Anyways, so is the Euro release fake then or what?
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Post by zzz on Oct 26, 2008 8:16:24 GMT -5
Like I said, it's all but guaranteed to have been a bootleg.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2008 8:40:14 GMT -5
...there was an Eggerland 2 released for MSX1 first and then came the MSX2 version. I wanted to reply to this, just to be sure, since this comment sounded weird (please, don't take this offensively). I know I'm repeating myself, but I'll try to explain this more clearly. The first release of the game is called "Meikyuu Shinwa" for MSX1/MSX2, but the covers only showed the MSX2 marks. Then later on came the second release of the game called "Eggerland 2", also for MSX1/MSX2, but this time the covers weren't hiding the fact that the game also works on MSX1 systems. There's only these two releases: The Japanese MSX1/MSX2 one and the European MSX1/MSX2 one, and they both uses the exact same ROMs on their cartridges. In short: Eggerland 2 was released for MSX2 first (according to the covers, anyway) and then for both MSX1 and MSX2 (although that has always been the case). Get it? Anyways, so is the Euro release fake then or what? I really don't know for 100% sure. I bet no one does. It's as fake or "fake" as the Euro release of Eggerland Mystery for MSX1. Both games have bad English in their manuals, and their game ROMs weren't changed a bit from their Japanese releases. People just didn't noticed unaltered ROM thing with Eggerland Mystery, because the in-game texts have always been 100% in English, even in the Japanese version.
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Post by ReyVGM on Oct 26, 2008 8:55:57 GMT -5
Maybe writing to HAL Labs could solve the "mystery"? I'll send them an email, I hope whoever reads the emails knows English.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2008 0:19:56 GMT -5
Good luck. I have tried that myself on several occasions and received no replies what so ever. I even used a Japanese friend's help once to e-mail them in proper Japanese, but still no replies. Even if someone would reply, I doubt anyone would know very much about the MSX Eggerland games.
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