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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Jul 5, 2009 6:12:28 GMT -5
Wow, that took me a while to get through (though I did skim some bits), but that's awesome.
That's the kind of detailed feature, with so many screens comparing every version, that's made HG101 famous. Well, famous among the more enlightened gamers out there. I'm sure it will also become a source of reference for a lot of people writing other articles. Well done on all the hard work.
Regarding Force Gear, I don't think you can actually finish it or move beyond the first boss. There's a timer ticking down, and when I got it running on my modded Xbox, I used some hex cheats to give me unlimited time. Then, using quick saves so as not to die, I spent about a solid 15 minutes shooting the boss. It's quite possible the hex code made him invincible. Any thoughts?
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Post by Discoalucard on Jul 5, 2009 9:45:57 GMT -5
I never defeated the boss either. You're invincible until the timer runs out, and it usually ends a few seconds into that battle, so maybe that's intentional.
Oh, and Daijoubu is working on an Otomedius article, so I left that out. I don't have a J Xbox 360 anyway.
The proper title for the FDS game is Falsion, but the ship in Gradius Gaiden is spelled Falchion. The Japanese aren't exactly known for keeping English spellings consistent.
I checked up and couldn't find any other evidence of an arcade Sky Jaguar, so I think it's arcade only.
I'm not sure about the GBC Airforce Delta - I played it for a bit and it's really bad, but I guess it might be worth mentioning.
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Post by ReyVGM on Jul 5, 2009 15:47:19 GMT -5
Yeah but Air Force Delta, is a Konami shooter outside of the Gradius/Salamander/Parodius/Twinbee universe, so I think it should be covered In that note, if Knightmare 2 and Hinotori are mentioned as shooters, then Laser Invasion (NES) should be mentioned too since it's a lightgun shooter. I mean, if the article doesn't exclusively say SHMUPS and includes more action/adventure games as Hinotori and Knightmare 2, then why doesn't also include Konami's lightgun shooter games? They are shooters after all. In my worthless opinion, I think Knightmare and Hinotori should be moved to another kind of article and leave this one to just shmups
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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Jul 5, 2009 16:10:03 GMT -5
Oh, and Daijoubu is working on an Otomedius article, so I left that out. I don't have a J Xbox 360 anyway. I've not been following it, but still no word on a western release for that? Man... Sucks that they keep putting region locking in 360 games.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2009 17:07:09 GMT -5
2) Somebody should seriously do a seperate article for Knightmare eventually. In my worthless opinion, I think Knightmare and Hinotori should be moved to another kind of article and leave this one to just shmups Yeah, give Knightmare series its own HG101 article! (:
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Post by ReyVGM on Jul 5, 2009 18:00:47 GMT -5
I think I still have a save file for Knightmare 3 with everything done in case it is needed.
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Post by zzz on Jul 5, 2009 23:45:54 GMT -5
Yeah but Air Force Delta, is a Konami shooter outside of the Gradius/Salamander/Parodius/Twinbee universe, so I think it should be covered I think Air Force Delta is more of a flight sim than a shmup. In that note, if Knightmare 2 and Hinotori are mentioned as shooters, then Laser Invasion (NES) should be mentioned too since it's a lightgun shooter. I mean, if the article doesn't exclusively say SHMUPS and includes more action/adventure games as Hinotori and Knightmare 2, then why doesn't also include Konami's lightgun shooter games? They are shooters after all. In my worthless opinion, I think Knightmare and Hinotori should be moved to another kind of article and leave this one to just shmups The article actually does say shoot 'em ups. And since when are Knightmare and Hinotori not shmups?
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Post by Discoalucard on Jul 6, 2009 0:03:59 GMT -5
If you bring Laser Invasion in...doesn't that qualify Lethal Enforcers? Or maybe those awful Top Gun games? I've never really played it. I think you're going way outta the territory there. As for Airforce Strike Delta GBC...it's in a shooter in the same way Falsion is, almost, just really, really bad.
Knightmare is actually only the name of the first game - the whole series goes under Majou Densetsu, which means Demon Castle Legend (not to be confused with Akumajou Dracula or Dracula Densetsu.). But yeah, I think an article on those at some point would be cool. I've never really played either of them, but I found a good fansite in Spanish somewhere.
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Post by cj iwakura on Jul 6, 2009 2:27:54 GMT -5
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Post by zzz on Jul 6, 2009 3:13:40 GMT -5
I never said that Laser Invasion was a shooter, BTW. I was quoting Rey, but it got messed up somehow. But yeah, I'm in agreement with you that Laser Invasion don't count.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2009 5:14:13 GMT -5
Knightmare is actually only the name of the first game - the whole series goes under Majou Densetsu, which means Demon Castle Legend (not to be confused with Akumajou Dracula or Dracula Densetsu.). I'd say it's as much Knightmare series/trilogy as it is Majou Densetsu.
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Post by Discoalucard on Jul 6, 2009 7:03:08 GMT -5
Oops. Never mind then!
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Post by CRV on Jul 6, 2009 8:25:24 GMT -5
There's an MSX version of Juno First.
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Post by onoff456 on Jul 6, 2009 12:06:33 GMT -5
Was that really achieved with Mode 7 graphics? Like the article says I was very impressed with it back then and always wondered how they did it.
Back in the SNES days I had an action replay. By pure luck I was able to find a code that would replace the top part of the horizon and show the enemies as a normal shooter would. The skewed effect remained but you could see what was coming ahead. Enemies don't attack while in this small area of the screen so it would give you a small advantage.
Unfortunately I didn't take care to write the code in a safe place. I regret not doing so. Would have loved to put up the code on the web. If it's true what you say about Mode 7 then maybe that's a clue.
* laughs * I always thought it said "EARTHLING ABOUT". Never heard the "pro-ach" enunciation. Then again the sound sample was never quite clear. BTW Love the use of the word "klaxon" but couldn't you have simply said:
"...and the "EARTHLING APPROACH", accompanied by warning alarms..."?
You are going to people googling for that one. ;D
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Post by brianc on Jul 6, 2009 18:23:10 GMT -5
Scramble also had an official version for the Tomy Tutor/Tomy Pyutta. I tried it out via MESS. Seems to be a decent port. It has choppy scrolling and a unique boss screen after stage 4 instead of the part where you try to bomb a target. Juno First has ports for C64 and Atari 800 as well as the MSX version. There's also a recent homebrew game based on Juno First for the 2600. The binary is available from the AtariAge forums here. I doubt that Interceptor Software's Scramble 64 is an official version. They did a lot of clones that often had names that came close to copyright infringement, but I don't think they did any official ports. The MSX Super Cobra is a bit different from the arcade. It doesn't have 11 or so stages like the original. If I remember correctly, it only has a couple of stages that get gradually harder with each loop.
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