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Post by Discoalucard on Sept 12, 2009 20:32:20 GMT -5
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Post by Jave on Sept 12, 2009 21:10:00 GMT -5
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Post by zzz on Sept 12, 2009 22:22:25 GMT -5
You see on the 9th of December 1993 Senator Joe Liebermann of Connecticut and chairman of the Subcommittee on Regulation and Government Information (Jesus!) held congressional hearings on the nature of violence on video games. Now while I usually write off people who campaign 'for the protection of the children' as just covering up their worries about losing control of the children or covering up their bad parenting and it's results with another blame figure Liebermann did have a cause for alarm - originally. In 1993, there was no ratings system for video games, except a self-regulated one from Sega that only applied to games for Sega consoles. Rating systems are quite good things, they stop grandparents buying porno films for their six year olds. Plus, surveys had shown that 49% of kids preferred games with some kind of violence, a loose categorization but still a bit of a concern.
Bolded the completely unnecessary inflammatory political opinions.
If people are going to bitch about pop culture references and dick jokes then we don't need that shit either.
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The media were also involved and their basic knowledge, half truths and jumped to conclusions were printed as, and taken as, fact, and those said NIGHT TRAP and SEGA. The radical Christian community had a particularly adverse reaction to the controversy and too chose to blame Sega and Night Trap for their children's sins and their sins of bad parenting and control freakery. Toys R Us banned Night Trap, but no other titles and Tom Zito was stopped from speaking at the hearings. And it became more and more clear from every statement made that none of them had actually played the game they all hated and were telling everyone else to hate.
Now the author is just preaching. Why the fuck didn't you edit that shit out before you posted the article?
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Focus was put particularly on the "bathroom scene", the game over footage given to a player if he fails to save the character Lisa. The fact that you got this for losing, that is you were punished for letting violence happen to the girls, there is no on screen violence or blood and this was the only underwear in the whole game, was essentially ignored. When the truth about Night Trap was pointed out to Marilyn Droz, VICE president of the National Coalition of Television Violence (Jesus!) gave a bizarre answer seemingly about another topic.
COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE!
Seriously, how did this self-righteous nonsense get past you? I have been explicitly informed in the past -- by you specifically I might add -- that political and social view points have no place in HG101 articles. I happen to agree with that sentiment completely. Apparently Jave does not.
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And that is the story of Night Trap. It was wrongly accused and given a stigma it didn't disserve but got a small amount of infamy in the process. It represented an important step forward in technology, a crucial step forward in Video Game rating systems and a horrible step forward in moral majority witch hunting of video games. All from a grainy video of a former television actress in a film with no violence, no nudity and not so much as one reference to sex.
Is it that hard to write an article about a video game without resorting to mocking people who you disagree with?
What on Earth made you think anyone wanted to know your opinions about political and social issues? How could you possibly think that all the above comments in bold were appropriate in an article about a video game? How about you stick to writing about video games and keep the socio-political color commentary to yourself?
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Post by Discoalucard on Sept 12, 2009 22:53:21 GMT -5
You know, it wouldn't surprise me if the Christian Right got up in arms over Night Trap, but googling around hasn't resulted in any explicit mention of it anywhere (just the Congressional hearings) so I chucked it. I think the two "Jesus" remarks can go, too. I'm not sure what your issue with the other stuff is. How could you possibly think that all the above comments in bold were appropriate in an article about a video game? How about you stick to writing about video games and leave the socio-political issues to someone else? Because Night Trap is a game that had an huge impact on socio-political issues, so I think some commentary is warranted. Through the tone it clearly picks a side, but there's nothing really inflammatory in there, and if you're reading that text and somehow extracting anything truly offensive that from it, then I don't know what to say.
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Post by zzz on Sept 12, 2009 23:34:04 GMT -5
You know very well that if he had taken the "opposite" side you would have written him off as a lunatic and probably rejected the entire article. Shamelessly biased color commentary on socio-political issues has no place in an article on HG101. I don't give a shit which "side" he takes, no one wants to hear Jave preach from up on his soap box. Everything I bolded is exactly that. Do you really think Jave's self-righteous attitude or his opinions on other people's parenting skills is something that belongs on this site? I mean, c'mon!
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Post by Discoalucard on Sept 12, 2009 23:48:04 GMT -5
A. Jave didn't write this.
B. Are you actually going to argue that parents SHOULDN'T be criticized because they want the media censored so they don't have to do their job and actually monitor what their kids watch? I'd like to see where this goes!
C. Guess who decides what's appropriate for an article on this site? Not you.
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Post by ReyVGM on Sept 13, 2009 1:04:43 GMT -5
Seriously zzz, what the hell happened to you?
You used to be a level headed guy and now you're constantly defensive and obnoxious. Did you tun into one of those guys that doesn't go out or talk to people because everything/everyone pisses him off?
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Post by zzz on Sept 13, 2009 5:55:42 GMT -5
A. Jave didn't write this. Ah. I remembered him talking about the article a while back and assumed he was the author. B. Are you actually going to argue that parents SHOULDN'T be criticized because they want the media censored so they don't have to do their job and actually monitor what their kids watch? I'd like to see where this goes! And I'd like to see your arguement that this kind of self-righteous color commentary belongs in any article about video games, but I don't expect that's going to happen. C. Guess who decides what's appropriate for an article on this site? Not you. What if he had included some kind of crazy-ass cult bullshit in the article? Are you telling me you wouldn't have edited that out? What if you were sent an article with the following passage? This game takes place in a 2-D world. Meaning the Earth is flat. Just like how it is in real life*.
*in my opinionThe problem with that wouldn't be that it was wrong, it would be that it was just shitty fucking game journalism. And that's what's wrong with this article. It's shitty fucking game journalism. This article is a perfect example of why no one takes game journalism seriously. Because it reads like it was written by a teenage boy who thinks way too highly of himself and writes the articles with only himself in mind with absolutely no regard for his audience. When I read this article I get the sense that the author was more concerned about telling me how damn smart/righteuous he is than he was with actually writing about Night Trap the fucking video game. Now how do you argue that something like that is appropriate for ANY gaming site? Do you really think anyone reads gaming articles to hear about "the state of the world"? Socio-political issues and gaming articles don't mix. Not on HG101 or ANY gaming site. This article is rank amateurism at its absolute worst, and makes Ninja Clowns look like a fucking literary masterpiece by comparison.
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Post by Discoalucard on Sept 13, 2009 11:10:48 GMT -5
How could you possibly think that all the above comments in bold were appropriate in an article about a video game? How about you stick to writing about video games and leave the socio-political issues to someone else? Because Night Trap is a game that had an huge impact on socio-political issues, so I think some commentary is warranted. Through the tone it clearly picks a side, but there's nothing really inflammatory in there, and if you're reading that text and somehow extracting anything truly offensive that from it, then I don't know what to say. I'm getting tired with arguing with your asinine bullshit. If you have any intention of continuing to post here, I'd drop the whole "fringe lunatic" act you've been playing out and actually provide some kind of meaningful feedback that doesn't involve you arguing what should/should not belong on this and launch into tirades because someone has implied something that doesn't fit in your baffling world view.
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Post by HMD on Sept 13, 2009 11:18:55 GMT -5
This is a great article, Jave! Good job!
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Post by Warchief Onyx on Sept 13, 2009 11:31:38 GMT -5
Jave didn't write it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2009 11:41:33 GMT -5
Jave didn't write it. But zzz said Jave wrote it; are you calling HIM a LIAR?
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Post by wyrdwad on Sept 13, 2009 12:13:35 GMT -5
I think the article is quite nice, actually, and find nothing offensive about the commentary written therein. It's appropriate, in fact, given the effect this game had (whether real or perceived) on the political climate of the time. If you find that the commentary seems amateurish, that's certainly your prerogative, but clearly, no one else amongst the article's target audience agrees with you, including the site creator/moderator. So I'm afraid you, good sir, are outvoted.
-Tom
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Post by cj iwakura on Sept 13, 2009 15:09:44 GMT -5
Considering this is one of my FAVORITE GAMES EVER(I am totally serious), I love this article. One correction: there's one other ending, and it's kind of a surprise. If you don't save Cindy, Jeff makes her into a vampire. Jeff shows up with her as his bride during the SCAT showdown with the Martins. Then he calmly informs them that he knows about you(Control), thanks to Cindy, and then dispatches of you while SCAT ask what on earth is going on. I guess you can assume afterwards that the Martins slaughter everyone wholesale. For such a simple premise game, it has a lot of depth, and it's still fun to replay. Also, the psuedo-sequel, Double Switch, is even more fun to play, if the story isn't quite as good. It still has some great comedy gold moments. Oh, and if you let Tony kill Kelli, I believe Jeff shuts you down afterwards. Then you get to see yourself go tumbling into darkness. I love Tony's teleport sequence, by the by. Also: It's not preaching. It's stating a fact. One more thing: Simms uses a Sega Genesis controller during the original Sega CD version's tutorial. I actually like the original opening more than the remade(re: PC/3D0/Sega CD 2.0's).
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Post by zzz on Sept 13, 2009 15:50:41 GMT -5
Also: It's not preaching. It's stating a fact. No it's not. Hence why it was removed.
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