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Post by Discoalucard on Nov 29, 2009 12:43:03 GMT -5
There's still some stuff that needs adding/polishing here, but for the most part, this is about 95% done. www.hardcoregaming101.net/suikoden/suikoden.htmThis is Konami's flagship RPGs. My favorites of them (or at least ones that I finished) are the second and third ones, which seems to be about the popular opinion, even though there's a lot of (unwarranted) hate for the third one.
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Post by r0ck3rz on Nov 29, 2009 14:13:23 GMT -5
Probably the only series, as a whole, in the genre I can still tolerate.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2009 14:36:13 GMT -5
Unwarranted?
- They completely screwed up the team attacks.
- It compared very poorly to its contemporaries in terms of production values. FFX was released nearly a year prior to Suikoden III, and featured much better graphics and full voice overs.
- The Trinity Sight system was a great idea, but the execution was lousy. You ended up replaying the same levels with different characters, over and over again. Grinding for money and skills across three separate parties is not my idea of fun.
- The main villain was really out of left field. The guy had always been a dick, but turning him into Mr. Big Bad Evil? Ludicrous.
I'm curious to hear what mitigating factors someone might have for feeling that Suikoden III wasn't all that bad.
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Post by Ganelon on Nov 29, 2009 15:10:55 GMT -5
OK, time for a question that's always bugged me. So we know that Tir is the name for McDohl. First, if the source official from Konami, authorized by Konami but created by someone else, or something else? Second, is the name ever spelled out as "Tir" in English anyway or is it in kana (meaning that "Tear" could be an alternate spelling)?
Anyway, great article. I was actually expecting a comparison of to the Shui Hu Zhuan story or to Koei's Bandit Kings of Ancient China / Suikoden (non-Genso) but since the connection is almost non-existent outside of the 108 characters, it's all good.
Some things to change: 1. "Unfortunately, the PSP version did see an overseas release." - "did" to "didn't" 2. "Genso Suikoden" is the proper romanization and Konami has been consistent in spelling it this way in English. If you use "gensou," then you would also need to use "suikouden" and we all know it's never spelled that way.
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Post by cj iwakura on Nov 29, 2009 15:58:16 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the third game. And yes, I played them in order(though way late).
It also has the best opening by far.
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Post by Ike on Nov 29, 2009 16:11:24 GMT -5
As someone who has never played a Suikoden game, where's a good spot to break into the series?
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Post by Strider on Nov 29, 2009 17:25:46 GMT -5
I say start from the beginning if you can. Suikoden 1 and 2 are both excellent, even if they look a bit dated.
- HC
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Post by Ike on Nov 29, 2009 17:28:05 GMT -5
They don't really look dated. Sprite games hold up really well IMO.
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Post by Ryu the Grappler on Nov 29, 2009 18:40:42 GMT -5
OK, time for a question that's always bugged me. So we know that Tir is the name for McDohl. First, if the source official from Konami, authorized by Konami but created by someone else, or something else? Second, is the name ever spelled out as "Tir" in English anyway or is it in kana (meaning that "Tear" could be an alternate spelling)? Tir McDohl (ティル・マクドール) is the name given to him in the novelization of the first game and at least in one radio drama adaptation. Its not officially canonical (none of the names given to the Suikoden heroes are), but every fansite uses it for simplification. I'm not sure if "Tir McDohl" is an official romanization or not (it could easily be "Till" for all I know).
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Post by Shellshock on Nov 29, 2009 19:33:16 GMT -5
They don't really look dated. Sprite games hold up really well IMO. Yeah, they do. Just play through the first one. Keep in mind there are rumors it was originally designed for SNES. I say play them in order, too. That's the way I'm doing it. I beat the first one some time ago and now I'm taking a break. There's continuity between installments, which is very rare in an RPG series, so take advantage of it. You can also import save states! EDIT: I'm thinking I liked Suikoden's character-gathering marathon better than Chrono Cross', which I abandoned in disgust, probably because Konami put a little bit of story behind each of the 108.
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Post by cj iwakura on Nov 29, 2009 19:35:26 GMT -5
Yeah, you'll enjoy 3 so much more with having played 1 & 2 first. It makes for a truly epic experience.
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Post by r0ck3rz on Nov 29, 2009 19:48:34 GMT -5
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Post by kal on Nov 29, 2009 20:34:45 GMT -5
I would consider that a good thing so I assume that's a mistake
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Post by r0ck3rz on Nov 29, 2009 20:48:03 GMT -5
yeah, should be a "didn't" in that last line. which kinda sucks, because, unlike with emulation, you know you'd always be able to do the save import. Articles loaded with missed grammar, just didn't feel like being the asshole to point it all out
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Post by Discoalucard on Nov 29, 2009 21:24:30 GMT -5
- It compared very poorly to its contemporaries in terms of production values. FFX was released nearly a year prior to Suikoden III, and featured much better graphics and full voice overs. And Suikoden I and II compared poorly to its contemporaries too. The series has never been particularly high budget, but that's OK. Personally I think III looks better than IV or V despite being much older than either of them. I liked the story of Suikoden III more than any of the rest. Extremely well characterized, cool plot, etc. Sgt. Joe is one of my favorite characters in the series, which I guess might sound strange. The only thing I didn't really care for were the changes to the battle system, but that only really irked me in a few boss fights.
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