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Post by Yuan on Apr 7, 2008 3:15:36 GMT -5
Nice article! Pretty informative, too!
One funny little note: when I put a "Streets of Rage" on my Mega Drive as a kid, I kept wondering why it was the same as my Japanese Bare Knuckle. THEN I found out at my friends house that some Sega games (at least back then) played differently on Genesis systems. Only for the first one, though. Regional protection was a real bummer for me until I finally got a Genesis.
And a side note on the limited moves, though nowhere near the latter iterations, the first game did have quite a share of unusual moves such as the infamous suplex, comboable cross-over kicks (virtually impossible to pull in other beat'em ups), "soft-landing" throws, a back-knock throw, and a some goofy combination kicks and hold attacks (for two players only).
This repertoire actually makes the game pretty enjoyable to me even today, because you can actually become very good at the it since it has the basic systems well done.
I have special and fond memories of the first one, which might be my favorite, but I can absolutely understand why anyone would think the second or third one is best one.
Another funny thingy: this game and "The Super Shinobi" share some similarities, like the "1up" tune.
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Post by lanceboyle94 on Apr 15, 2011 20:18:24 GMT -5
Were they removed because of the Sega Classics Collection released in Europe? If I remember correctly Bonanza Bros was released as part of the collection. I'm guessing they removed that game so they could help increase the sales of the Sega Classics Collection. I doubt it. It doesn't explain why Bonanza Bros is in the US and EU SEGA Genesis/MD collection. Maybe because the Genesis/MD collection was released one year after Gems and the Sega Classics Collection. And speaking of the whole SOR thing, it just confuses me. As everybody knows, Sega removed the SOR games from all overseas releases of Gems Collection in order to not get a T rating (they could have included them in the Euro version, though, since Mega Collection Plus was rated 12+ there, so was the Classics Collection), and then they didn't include them on the Genesis Collection because it would have increased the game's rating from T to M, which is baffling considering that they could have included it since the collection's rating was the one they thought they would get with the SOR games on Gems Collection. Anyway, around the time of the Genesis Collection's release, the first SOR was released on the Virtual Console. The game's rating? E10+. Then, in 2007, SOR2 was released on both the VC and XBLA, with an E rating. Also in 2007, SOR3 was released on the VC, with an E10+ rating. And in 2009 the Ultimate Genesis Collection was released, with all three games, and with a E10+ rating. So, what was the reason, Sega? First you remove them because you didn't want the collection to get a higher rating, and then do the same thing again with a collection whose rating was the one you thought you were gonna get with that other collection and yet think it was going to get yet another higher rating? Even when one of the games had a lower rating in another system/service/whatever? Doesn't make sense.
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Post by acidonia on Apr 16, 2011 12:31:55 GMT -5
Sega Classics Collection was the same In Europe but we had no Alien Symdrone because of Germany even though the game would of probally begin allowed to sold in germany anway. This is also why the PS2/PSP Megdrive Collection is Missing Shadow Dancer because of some bizare reason the game got Banned in Germany along time ago some how.
SOR in Europe on Wii have a 7+ rating but SOR 2 on 360 has a 12+ (Proof Pegi is run by Idiots) The Sega Collections in Europe all use the American Box artwork in their galerys. The 360/Ps3 one though uses the European names and title screens for games if they had one so Story of Thor is on the disc but the art work calls it Beyond Oasis. So yeah 99% of the Collections the European version is indentical to the American one.
But sega can not even get a cover right look at the Back of the 360/ps3 Collection they is a screen shot of sonic 3 but the text underneath it calls it Sonic 2 this error is on all box arts worldwide.
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Post by lanceboyle94 on Apr 16, 2011 14:48:16 GMT -5
The Alien Syndrome removal thing was actually done to not get a 16+/18+ rating, not because of Germany. I believe the reason they do that is because they'd get indexed, which (according to MobyGames) would have made the game prohibited for sale to minors, and can only be bought by request (as in asking the clerk for the game). One odd example was the Activision Anthology: one of the games there (River Raid) nearly made that compilation being only for folks over 18, because, at the time of RR's release, the German government thought that it was "a para-military training game for kids" (no, really), and it was indexed. Luckily, Activision requested a verification of it, and RR was de-indexed in 2003. Also, on the whole SOR thing, it seems Japan can't decide on ratings too. The Gems Collection was given an All Ages/A rating when it was released, but on the VC (and XBLA in the case of SOR2) the SOR games were given a B rating (12+). And the Euro 12+ rating for SOR2 is only for the XBLA version. The VC version is rated 7+. Weird. And speaking of SOR2 XBLA, whereas the JP VC got it under its original name, the JP XBLA recieved it as... Streets of Rage 2 ( proof)
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Post by acidonia on Apr 16, 2011 16:34:40 GMT -5
Though it is not just Street of Rage that has a weird Rating change Final Fight does as well the Ports on Ps2/Psp was Rated 12+ but the Xbox 360 is Rated 16+. This could be Pegi begin weird though I do not get why Bomber Man Live on Xbla is 12+ when the Sequel is 3+ there both the same content wise . I wonder though if they can still sell the very first Xbla discs to Minors anymore The poker game on it was rated 12+ when the the disc came out ad what rating the box of the game is but but it now rated 18+ on the 360 and website . The first Ever 18+ Rated DS game was Sega Casino though they is some 3+ rated Casino games on Ps2 pegi are confusing. I bet SOR2 on XBLA worldwide is the English rom just like some of Snk King of The Fighters Xbla games all the Quotes and Endings are only in Japanese.
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Post by lanceboyle94 on Apr 17, 2011 1:10:04 GMT -5
I bet SOR2 on XBLA worldwide is the English rom just like some of Snk King of The Fighters Xbla games all the Quotes and Endings are only in Japanese. Now I know why that happened in KOF98 Ultimate Match... Also, I didn't really get why Sega Casino was rated 18+ there too. And a Bomberman getting a 12+ rating (Act Zero doesn't count). It's also weird how some titles like the first two Onechanbaras or the Rumble Roses games were given 12+ ratings whereas everywhere else they had M and 18+/D ratings. PEGI is weird when it comes to ratings.
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Post by acidonia on Apr 17, 2011 12:19:54 GMT -5
Pegi have a thing about Casinos or gambling in Games it does not matter if its with Real money or made up numbers they always give games with it a 12+ or higher this is why perfectly harmless games Like 42 All time Classics AKA Club House is rated 12+. The pokemon series this has effected the most. When Pokemon Platimum reached Europe they removed the Game Corner Slot Machines making it harder to get Game Corner Prizes the Slot machines are still in the American version. But pokemon Gold and Sliver Remakes the Slot machines are only in the Japanese versions instead every where else got Voltorb flip instead. Pokemon Black and White world wide has no Slot Machines at all meaning they will not be returning to the series all this is thanks to Pegi. The way pegi Rate Violence seems to be 3+/7+ if its just Aliens/ Robots 12+ if they look like humans (Why games like Power Rangers and Ben 10 get 12+ ratings here and 16+ if you shoot humans (With or Without Blood) so games like Time Crisis and that Gi Joe movie game share the same rating as COD4. Pegi always Rate Violence Higher than the BBFC as well. BBFC rated Mass Effect a 12 though its Pegi rating is 18+. Though if all a game is Skimpy Outfits Pegi will rate it 12+ not a M like America. The way they handle the Bad Language is weird very few games have one if there rated 16+ or higher no matter what the content. Sonic Rush Adventre has Pegi 12+ because of this but later Reprints of the game it is 3+ the opposite happened to Rabbid's go Home on the Wii it started out a 7+ then jumped to a 12+. I feel kinda sad for Parents who Belive in Pegi Ratings for thier kids just because Pegi seem to rate somthing at random.
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Post by derboo on Apr 17, 2011 12:37:33 GMT -5
The most funny rating divergence I've noticed (in German USK ratings) was Dead or Alive 3 for 12 and up, Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball 16 and up. Like when you're 12-15 it's OK to beat up girls badly, but you're not allowed to go to the beach with them.
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Post by lanceboyle94 on Apr 17, 2011 13:00:49 GMT -5
PEGI's rating for MGS: Peace Walker was just as odd: it shares the same rating as Modern Warfare 2 (18+), whereas the US got it as a T rated game.
I do find odd that something like Ben 10 gets a 12+ rating, although it's only on the Alien Force and Ultimate Alien games; the first game (Ben 10: Protector of Earth) was rated 7+ instead.
derboo: I believe the higher rating was because of the slight nudity on the intro (read: a slight peek at Christie's behind), but yeah, doesn't make sense.
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Post by derboo on Apr 17, 2011 13:03:39 GMT -5
DOA 3 has that in Christie's ending, too.
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Post by KeeperBvK on Apr 17, 2011 16:55:29 GMT -5
One odd example was the Activision Anthology: one of the games there (River Raid) nearly made that compilation being only for folks over 18, because, at the time of RR's release, the German government thought that it was "a para-military training game for kids" (no, really), and it was indexed. Luckily, Activision requested a verification of it, and RR was de-indexed in 2003. Actually, River Raid was the first game to not need the publisher to ask for re-evaluation, but instead to automatically be taken off the list, which happens to every game that has ben banned for...dunno 20 or 25 years. Either one, but I can't remember now. And speaking of SOR2 XBLA, whereas the JP VC got it under its original name, the JP XBLA recieved it as... Streets of Rage 2 ( proof) Is it really Streets of Rage 2? Following your link I only see some small pic seemingly accidentally bearing the words SoR 2, which might have just been some graphics designer intern, whereas the rest of the page mentions the game as Bare Knuckle 2. Edit: There's a screenshot showing the title screen to bear the name SoR 2. So seemingly MS themselves aren't exactly sure what to call it. Why did they mix it up that badly?
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Post by acidonia on Apr 17, 2011 20:08:00 GMT -5
PEGI's rating for MGS: Peace Walker was just as odd: it shares the same rating as Modern Warfare 2 (18+), whereas the US got it as a T rated game. I do find odd that something like Ben 10 gets a 12+ rating, although it's only on the Alien Force and Ultimate Alien games; the first game (Ben 10: Protector of Earth) was rated 7+ instead. derboo: I believe the higher rating was because of the slight nudity on the intro (read: a slight peek at Christie's behind), but yeah, doesn't make sense. I belive the Later Ben 10 games got Rated 12+ becase the enemys looked more Human or was humans when in the Original Ben 10 every thing was either a alien or Robot you fought so only got a 7+., The most baffling Pegi rating has to be Soul Bubbles though they Rated it 12+ for Violence when everywhere else rated it a 3+ game.
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Post by lanceboyle94 on Apr 18, 2011 16:33:51 GMT -5
DOA 3 has that in Christie's ending, too. Doesn't make sense, then.
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Post by vnisanian2001 on Apr 19, 2011 18:37:57 GMT -5
Although it's the weakest in the series, I think SOR1 had the best music.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2011 8:15:05 GMT -5
Although it's the weakest in the series, I think SOR1 had the best music. I prefer the soundtrack of the first game, as well.
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