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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 12:27:38 GMT -5
What's stupid is people should be upset he was being dishonest with a pseudonym in general and not because he used an Asian name to write manga style stories. It doesn't matter whether it was "Akira Yoshida" or "John Bigboote", I've heard people compare it to "yellowface" which is utterly laughable, it's a fucking pen name! If he was Asian but just used a different Asian name, would that make it ok even though he was still being dishonest? It's great when white people who never have to deal with minority races get to decree on high what is and isn't acceptable to be upset about when it comes to race.
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Post by GamerL on Nov 29, 2017 13:31:36 GMT -5
It just seems like it's more of an example of a guy being a dishonest dick than it really is racism, but I'm white, so I guess I can never have an opinion on these things as is a new law written sometime in this decade.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 13:32:49 GMT -5
I swear, Griff. It's like you're on a mission to have the absolute worst takes known to man on every issue. Would you feel the same way if he had pretended to be disabled? Do you not see how this is an instance of a person coming from a position of power (white male) and pretending to be part of an underrepresented group (Asian Americans) for his own gain?
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Post by GamerL on Nov 29, 2017 14:06:16 GMT -5
Okay, okay, thinking more about it, I guess it is pretty racist, Frank Miller had no problem writing stories about Japan using his own name, so what was this guy's problem?
I'm sorry, I have a big mouth and sometimes blab out stuff, at least I don't double down on defending a bad take out of ego, forgive me?
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Post by Échalote on Nov 29, 2017 14:11:57 GMT -5
Okay, okay, thinking more about it, I guess it is pretty racist, Frank Miller had no problem writing stories about Japan using his own name, so what was this guy's problem? Marvel had a rule forbiding their editors from writing for them at the time, so not only it is pretty racist, but probably also doubles as an actual conflict of interest.
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Post by GamerL on Nov 29, 2017 14:14:12 GMT -5
Interesting, but I've never quite understood quite what an "editor" does in the context of comics, check for spelling errors and grammatical mistakes and whatnot?
EDIT: and I want to apologize again, the more I think about it the dumber I realize the take was.
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Post by paperchema on Dec 2, 2017 17:18:15 GMT -5
I don't see the controversy. Cebulski is known in the industry for living in Japan, having relatives there, and loving everything about it's culture. The way Bleeding Cool (the webpage that broke the news) explained it, he chose that alias to be as much untraceable as possible and because he loves Japan. Same reason he added ninjas and a Japanese-y tone to all his comocs; he's a weeb. Moreover, all of his books were edited by people outside his department.
And besides, ever since he dropped the pen name, he's been recruiting lots of diverse talent for Marvel. Not just comics, but for all branches. As an Asian American comics creator put it: if he abused his power, he's already made up for it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 17:29:13 GMT -5
Why did he deserve the chance to write under the pretense of being an Asian American, rather than giving that opportunity to an ACTUAL Asian American?
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Post by Sac (a.k.a Icaras) on Dec 3, 2017 5:33:56 GMT -5
To be honest, I don't see why it really matters that much, I mean I seriously doubt THAT many people suddenly started buying marvel comics because they were written by (what they thought was) a Japanese man writing them (I honestly never even heard of him until this story started cropping up in various places recently).
Writing under differ names happens all the time, both in comics and books (There lots of book series that pretend to be by the original author even though they're ghost written by other people, for example.)
I also doubt very much he "stole" any kind of spot from an actual Japanese writer, I'm sure there are plenty out there if Marvel really intended to hire one. From what I've heard nobody at marvel really seemed to pay much attention to him, so I doubt they cared very much.
IMHO, this really just doesn't matter as much as the coverage wants us to think it does.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 15:32:35 GMT -5
Really disappointed by the white perspective about this.
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Post by eatersthemanfool on Dec 4, 2017 0:09:58 GMT -5
See, this is why I still like you, Griff. When you realize you're wrong about something, you own up to it.
I love the whole "Well it's not like marvel was going to hire any asian writers anyway so it's cool." thing that we've got going on here.
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Post by chronotigger65 on Dec 10, 2017 14:02:10 GMT -5
So anyone seen the first episode of Happy! on Syfy earlier this past week? I've only found out what it is about last night and looking forward to it and I've never seen or read the graphic novel by Grant Morrison and Darick Robertson it's based on.
Christopher Meloni of Law and Order SVU seems to be a good pick for the lead roll (Detective Stabler has had it hard since SVU) and Patton Oswalt sounds so positive as a ever happy talking imaginary friend. Patton actually voiced a character on My Little Pony FIM once.) But with the GN being four issue long I wonder if a season 2 may or may not happen.
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Post by eatersthemanfool on Dec 11, 2017 23:48:57 GMT -5
I've never heard of Happy, though I do tend to like Grant Morrison.
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Post by moran on Dec 19, 2017 10:16:00 GMT -5
I've always wanted to read Happy, but the issues disappeared pretty quickly. And I'm always down for Christopher Meloni.
On the topic of Cebulski(sorry, been away from here for a few months), its not that he used a pen name. Its that he seems to have purposely used a Japanese name under false pretenses and approriating a culture to someone who doesn't exist for his own gain. This isn't a matter of Stephen King writing as Richard Bachman so much as its more along the lines of Rachel Dolezal or Donna Chang on Seinfeld.
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Post by Elvin Atombender on Dec 20, 2017 9:44:27 GMT -5
On the topic of Cebulski(sorry, been away from here for a few months), its not that he used a pen name. Its that he seems to have purposely used a Japanese name under false pretenses and approriating a culture to someone who doesn't exist for his own gain. This isn't a matter of Stephen King writing as Richard Bachman so much as its more along the lines of Rachel Dolezal or Donna Chang on Seinfeld. Not just that; he used that pen name to circumvent company policy.
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