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Post by megatronbison on Jan 20, 2012 10:17:35 GMT -5
Much to my irritation Snesorama had been using sites other than Megaupload for quite a while- they tended to be pretty vigilent over multiple mirrors so it hopefully won't be a total disaster.
Hopefully.
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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Jan 20, 2012 12:10:34 GMT -5
I've been reading a bunch of threads, comments, and posts on other sites and it's just kinda sickening how quickly people jump to Anon's side in this. No one else is going to stand up to the government over MU's closure. They're pretty much the only show of force we have. My enemy's enemy is my friend, if only for a time. I for one can only hope these restriction cause unimaginable chaos. The government and corporations need to learn not to put their dicks in a hornet's nest. Sting them enough and cause enough damage and maybe, just maybe, they'll stop. |
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Post by TheChosen on Jan 20, 2012 13:01:45 GMT -5
Fuck 'em. Anonymous are just bunch of man-childs who have watched V for Vendetta far too many times. They dont care about freedom of speech or anything. They just do it for the kicks they get for "sticking to the man", or to protect their source of free stuff. Besides, for people "supposedly" trying to bring freedom to the internet, who gave them permission to play the Internet police? Some day they'll go too far, and that might bring on something stronger than SOPA. Or they make permanent damage to the world system, whichever comes first.
And like its been said, Megaupload was more of that, with them pretty much ignoring the piracy going on there, to supporting it, using it and even paying for them! Im really sorry for all the legit stuff you and other people lost, but blame on the Megaupload for sticking into illegalities and eventually getting themself's screwed. They could have been a legit fileuploading service or at least covered up their mess, but no. Reality happens and they get arrested. Thats the freaking law.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2012 13:04:07 GMT -5
Mostly it's kind of funny hearing people refer to them as a hacking group when all they really do is organize DDoS raids.
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Post by vnisanian2001 on Jan 20, 2012 13:07:29 GMT -5
I can assure you that when judgment day is finally upon is, anonymous we'll be rotting in hell, while we're smiling in Heaven with Jesus Christ.
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Post by Discoalucard on Jan 20, 2012 13:18:19 GMT -5
Megaupload was pretty clearly doing a lot of shifty things, and while it's completely impossible to keep 100% legit control of user submitted content, their methods were definitely meant to promote piracy, even though they obviously thought it was subtle. I always figured their days were limited. Still, the fact that it's entirely down is troublesome People did have legit files stores there (some of HG101's files, mostly the podcasts, for example), and people did pay for memberships. Are those simply gone? If a bunch of shifty bank executives get arrested for illegal dealings, that doesn't mean the bank closes and everyone loses their money. Sad thing is that they'll use this as an excuse to draft a bill that makes SOPA look like the Magna Carta. I think it'll hurt the case honestly. If the FBI can already extradite non-US citizens over things like this, then what's the point of SOPA/PIPA? To make things easier for them by removing the hassle of "proper criminal investigation" and "due process"? Anyway, Mediafire is the best and more people should use it. |
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Post by Catalyst on Jan 20, 2012 15:41:35 GMT -5
The supposed Anon member I saw talking had mentioned that a few sites like Rapidshare would be taken down next the Feds. But I don't know how much this guy actually knew. I mean he seemed to think that the Feds and just been able to tackle this situation after getting a payoff a week back. This project took atleast a year of planning though to find all these people around the world, so unless the Feds have a headstart on these other sharing sites it isn't going to work like that.
As for the government seemingly acting like their guilty already. It's kinda hard to not treat them as such when their messages are as guily as those going in between crack houses. I mean reading those emails these guys certainly had alot of bravado, and absolutly knew what kind of people were uploading terabytes of pirated films and such.
Also, I find it kind of ironic that these anarchist hacktivist use V for Vendetta as inspiration, when Alan Moore himself claims that the story is supposed to be showcasing how anarchy, despite being a means to an end, can be as repugnant and disgusting as fascism. He never really intended V to be portrayed as a freedom fighter.
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Post by Ryu the Grappler on Jan 20, 2012 15:50:08 GMT -5
Also, I find it kind of ironic that these anarchist hacktivist use V for Vendetta as inspiration, when Alan Moore himself claims that the story is supposed to be showcasing how anarchy, despite being a means to an end, can be as repugnant and disgusting as fascism. He never really intended V to be portrayed as a freedom fighter. Blame the filmmakers, who ignored the point of the book and decided to make the movie adaptation an anti-Bush allegory. I personally have nothing against Anonymous, but I find it funny that for all their anti-capitalist rhetoric, they don't mind giving Warner Bros. (a SOPA supporter) their money just so they could wear Guy Fawkes masks. Also, the real life Guy Fawkes was a pro-catholic religious fundamentalist terrorist, which makes Anonymous' stance against Scientology even funnier. |
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Post by starscream on Jan 20, 2012 16:00:11 GMT -5
The supposed Anon member I saw talking had mentioned that a few sites like Rapidshare would be taken down next the Feds. I'd be surprised by that. Rapidshare has been targeted in the past, and presumably that's the reason they have adjusted their model. Those strict limits of the past are gone at Rapidshare btw. I get comparable speeds to Megaupload, and it's possible to download hundreds of megabyte without the need to change IP. |
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Post by Super Orbus on Jan 20, 2012 16:02:23 GMT -5
If the FBI can already extradite non-US citizens over things like this, then what's the point of SOPA/PIPA? To make things easier for them by removing the hassle of "proper criminal investigation" and "due process"? Esentially that appears to be the effect of the bill, yes. Copyright holders should have recourse to protect their work, but they shouldn't be able to dump the legwork on the government or other companies. That's what they're trying to do here. There may be a reasonable way to lighten the burden of making infringement complaints, but this is not it. Plus SOPA has the bonus effect of giving the government carte blanche to delist websites from DNS and search engines with relatively little oversight. There's just all sorts of potential for abuse there. The Megaupload case appears to have been a concerted raid, where local police in various countries all went in with warrants and seized suspects and equipment for evidence. That's a lot different than giving the government a DNS killswitch. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2012 16:32:53 GMT -5
The supposed Anon member I saw talking had mentioned that a few sites like Rapidshare would be taken down next the Feds. I'd be surprised by that. Rapidshare has been targeted in the past, and presumably that's the reason they have adjusted their model. Those strict limits of the past are gone at Rapidshare btw. I get comparable speeds to Megaupload, and it's possible to download hundreds of megabyte without the need to change IP. This must be recent; I had a rapidshare account a year ago and they'd come up with some stupid credit system ("rapids") that essentially limited what you could download per month. Combined with their puny file size limit that was the last straw for me. Also, Germans. I second Discoalucard about mediafire; if you've got reasonably sized files for work or whatever and don't want your friends/users/yourself to have to jump through hoops to get them, there's no place better. All of the others seem to have some pain in the ass verification, popunder windows, or a waiting period until you can download the file. As for the raid on Megaupload, they claim it was an operation 2 years in the making (which would make some sense), but the timing was very crass and came off as a massive "fuck you", and/or an attempt to aggro the lunatic fringe into making everyone else look like a stupid asshole to the general public not following the SOPA/PIPA bullshit. We're not out of the woods until Chris Dodd, Lamar Smith, and all of their ilk have their heads rotting on pikes like Oliver Cromwell. Which will be never. |
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Post by Super Orbus on Jan 20, 2012 17:02:38 GMT -5
Actually, from what I've heard, the timing was an attempt by the White House to undermine SOPA (which the White House is not supporting) while placating Hollywood (which is a major backer for the Democrats). And they were going after them anyway.
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Post by starscream on Jan 20, 2012 17:37:11 GMT -5
I'd be surprised by that. Rapidshare has been targeted in the past, and presumably that's the reason they have adjusted their model. Those strict limits of the past are gone at Rapidshare btw. I get comparable speeds to Megaupload, and it's possible to download hundreds of megabyte without the need to change IP. This must be recent; I had a rapidshare account a year ago and they'd come up with some stupid credit system ("rapids") that essentially limited what you could download per month. Combined with their puny file size limit that was the last straw for me. Could be, I never had (and probably never will) an account at any filehoster, I'm speaking only from a free user perspective. I remember that at some point they implemented changes that made people switch to others like Hotfile, but this was something I suppose they had to do in an attempt to rebrand themselves and stay online. > Lol. Funny on more than one level, since I'm one myself, as was the founder of the Mega-sites. I personally like multiuploaders/filespreaders btw, I don't know if there's one that also offers Mediafire as a choice though. |
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Post by Warchief Onyx on Jan 20, 2012 18:32:38 GMT -5
What jonny said about V For Vendetta. Zack Snyder and co. made V more chaotic good than he really was in Alan Moore's original graphic novel. V in the graphic novel was far less heroic and far more destructive. Also, the real life Guy Fawkes was a pro-catholic religious fundamentalist terrorist, which makes Anonymous' stance against Scientology even funnier. That just means he'd probably hate Scientology even more than Anonymous does.  |
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Post by Ryu the Grappler on Jan 20, 2012 19:27:00 GMT -5
I don't want to get into a religious debate, but my point is that I really don't see that much of a difference between Scientology and Catholicism. Most of the same points that Anonymous uses to dismiss Scientology as a religion could really be used to dismiss any organized form of religion if you think about it, it's just that we give most of the older religions the benefit of the doubt due to their really old age and how they're ingrained in our culture. Personally, I find Scientology to be a rather small fry threat. They only target celebrities with tons of money anyway.
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