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Post by Gendo Ikari on Feb 19, 2012 8:45:04 GMT -5
Isn't it rather that you don't want to hear the vox populi because you're afraid it's too different from vox tua? Are you sure a staff of videogame journalists can be completely impartial and won't end up excluding some important game because they have some bias against it or its or genre? I'm in disagreement with many spots of that NES list, but also with many from the EGM one you linked to - for one, Street Fighter and ISS should be much lower, Chroo Trigger higher, and Actraiser much higher. But those are my preferences and tastes, nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Feb 19, 2012 9:13:49 GMT -5
Isn't it rather that you don't want to hear the vox populi because you're afraid it's too different from vox tua? Are you sure a staff of videogame journalists can be completely impartial and won't end up excluding some important game because they have some bias against it or its or genre? The hope would if you brought together an enlightened bunch of experts, say every editor who helmed Famitsu over the years, the current staff, and a few developers, you would end up with a better representation of the system's catalogue than what people voted for. As for my own voice, it's usually different to the majority. That's what drives me - the need to educate, inform, or at the very least offer an alternative viewpoint. My idea of paradise is where everyone already thinks what I think, in which case I'd never need to write anything. |
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Post by xerxes on Feb 19, 2012 9:40:35 GMT -5
Since when does anyone need to be enlightened or informed about games? How can such an opinion be wrong? The only thing a game has to do to succeed is be fun. "Fun" is highly subjective.
At any rate, does the internet really benefit from yet another objective, enlightened, informed list of the Best Games Ever? It's just people like us, talking to ourselves.
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Post by Narushima on Feb 19, 2012 11:45:41 GMT -5
My idea of paradise is where everyone already thinks what I think[...] Ironically enough, that's everybody's idea of paradise. |
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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Feb 19, 2012 11:47:51 GMT -5
Surely then, we're already there?  |
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Post by derboo on Feb 19, 2012 13:19:14 GMT -5
(...) - for one, Street Fighter and ISS should be much lower, Chroo Trigger higher, and Actraiser much higher. But those are my preferences and tastes, nothing more, nothing less. Of course, editorial lists would make even more sense if the pretense of a ranking was to be dropped and people would focus on creating a simple canon of works instead. Funny that people talking about movies and games do that consistently, yet I don't expect to ever see an argument about why Don Quixote is lower down the list than Moby Dick and why Shakespeare fills up half of the top-10 spots. |
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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Feb 19, 2012 15:54:13 GMT -5
An alphabetical list would be preferable, since it would eradicate such argument. I like the EGM 1997 list because it's well balanced between genres and systems, and has plenty of all-time excellent games. It represents the medium well.
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Post by Ryu the Grappler on Feb 19, 2012 20:51:15 GMT -5
Top lists are a waste of time, whether they're democratic or editorial. The only ones that matter are personal ones, since at least it serves as a indicator of the author's tastes. Besides, everybody knows Fire Emblem is the best Famicom game of all time.
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Post by KeeperBvK on Feb 28, 2012 5:05:03 GMT -5
Being late to the party, I just wanted to point to out that the English word "dreck or drek" is derived from the Yiddish word which in turn is derived from the German word "Dreck", meaning "dirt" or "shit".
And yeah, that Japanese list sure misses my taste by a mile as well. So much great stuff missing or coming in too low with so many (IMO) horrible games landing somewhere in the Top 50.
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Post by Bobinator on Feb 28, 2012 20:28:25 GMT -5
Top lists are a waste of time, whether they're democratic or editorial. The only ones that matter are personal ones, since at least it serves as a indicator of the author's tastes. Besides, everybody knows Fire Emblem is the best Famicom game of all time. That sure is a weird way to spell Kirby's Adventure. :V As for the list, I dunno. The Japanese have a weird habit of glorifying games that... well, really don't deserve it. Take Spelunky or Wizardy, for example. |
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Post by kyouki on Feb 28, 2012 22:59:36 GMT -5
Except for the licenses junk (which is understandable really), I think it's a fine list.
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Post by KeeperBvK on Feb 29, 2012 2:42:28 GMT -5
As for the list, I dunno. The Japanese have a weird habit of glorifying games that... well, really don't deserve it. Take Spelunky or Wizardy, for example. Or Tower of Druaga |
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Post by Allie on Feb 29, 2012 10:29:42 GMT -5
Isn't it rather that you don't want to hear the vox populi because you're afraid it's too different from vox tua? Are you sure a staff of videogame journalists can be completely impartial and won't end up excluding some important game because they have some bias against it or its or genre? The hope would if you brought together an enlightened bunch of experts, say every editor who helmed Famitsu over the years, the current staff, and a few developers, you would end up with a better representation of the system's catalogue than what people voted for. As for my own voice, it's usually different to the majority. That's what drives me - the need to educate, inform, or at the very least offer an alternative viewpoint. My idea of paradise is where everyone already thinks what I think, in which case I'd never need to write anything. The word you're looking for is "Indoctrinate". And Legacy of the Wizard is stale feces. |
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Post by Discoalucard on Feb 29, 2012 10:38:23 GMT -5
I'm a little late weighing in on this, but I get the impression that the people who answered this poll are the types that aren't part of the retro scene and just supplied with whatever games they remembered playing from their youth. As a way to capture the most popular games from the era, it's pretty interesting, even though there are some eyebrow raising selections from a quality standpoint, and some more baffling omissions. It does highlight the difference in our cultural experience though, what with the huge presence of RPGs, while Americans or Europeans are much more likely to remember Contra/Probotector, Ninja Gaiden/Shadow Warriors, Castlevania, or any number of action-oriented games.
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Post by Allie on Feb 29, 2012 10:48:01 GMT -5
I'm a little late weighing in on this, but I get the impression that the people who answered this poll are the types that aren't part of the retro scene and just supplied with whatever games they remembered playing from their youth. As a way to capture the most popular games from the era, it's pretty interesting, even though there are some eyebrow raising selections from a quality standpoint, and some more baffling omissions. It does highlight the difference in our cultural experience though, what with the huge presence of RPGs, while Americans or Europeans are much more likely to remember Contra/Probotector, Ninja Gaiden/Shadow Warriors, Castlevania, or any number of action-oriented games. Honestly, I was surprised at the (relatively) massive amount of Kunio games in there. |
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