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Post by vetus on Apr 3, 2012 11:42:19 GMT -5
Yeah! Shadow Madness was one of these "FF killers" games but I couldn't remember its name earlier.
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Post by Allie on Apr 3, 2012 11:46:10 GMT -5
Shadow Madness was really more a "We heard you like RPGs, so here's an RPG!" (though it was Western-developed, and a total train wreck)
The only game I'd ever specifically heard called an "FF7 Killer" was Grandia, and that didn't end up finally finding its way to the west until almost 2 years later.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2012 13:00:19 GMT -5
Well, now I got that out of my system... How do you feel about Beyond the Beyond? It's better than Fade to Black. That has to count for something, right? For perspective, Fade to Black is better than Legend of Dragoon.
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Post by 9inchsamurai on Apr 3, 2012 16:20:49 GMT -5
I haven't looked hard mind you, but it seems most copies available for sale these days are really expensive Hey yeah the going rate for this on eBay seems to be in the $40 range. I think I might just sell my copy.
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Post by Rash on Apr 3, 2012 22:07:01 GMT -5
It's better than Fade to Black. Disagree. Not a great comparison since Fade to Black is not an RPG.
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Post by llj on Apr 4, 2012 20:51:31 GMT -5
During the PS1 years Square-Enix was largely competing with itself. If anything, Xenogears was the closest to being promoted as a FF killer.
Konami's Suikoden, Gamearts' Grandia and Lunar and the Wild Arms games were really the only other notable competitions, but they were always considered more secondary options compared to the stuff SquareEnix was pumping out at the time.
All other JRPGs at the time were looked at with about as much fondness as a bootleg toy.
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Post by Super Orbus on Apr 4, 2012 22:39:20 GMT -5
That was certainly true for a while there, though later in the PS1 era things started to open up a bit. Breath of Fire comes to mind. And Atlus was putting out stuff, although their localization practices at the time were fairly horrid.
And back then there was no Square-Enix. You're mostly thinking of Square. We did get a few Enix games here and there, Dragon Quest VII among them.
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Post by llj on Apr 5, 2012 10:06:57 GMT -5
The Square-Enix merger is a bit foggy in my memory. For some reason I had the impression that it happened during the early PS1 era. Guess not.
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Post by The Great Klaid on Apr 5, 2012 12:11:44 GMT -5
That was certainly true for a while there, though later in the PS1 era things started to open up a bit. Breath of Fire comes to mind. And Atlus was putting out stuff, although their localization practices at the time were fairly horrid. And back then there was no Square-Enix. You're mostly thinking of Square. We did get a few Enix games here and there, Dragon Quest VII among them. How come we got so few Enix games compared to SNES era? All I own are Star Ocean II and Dragon Warrior VII and I can only think of Valkyrie Profile for ones I don't own. Enix put out some kick ass games. Hell, Star Ocean and Valkyrie Profile are my favorite PSP games, right after Crisis Core. I enjoy the Dragon Warrior/Quest series (VII is really slow, I hate it when the internet is right. Paldin's Quest has been enjoyable thus far. There are other games that are slipping my memory right now, but overall I'm kind of depressed that Square pretty much calls the shots around there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2012 14:13:29 GMT -5
That's a damn good question that I'd like to ask Enix, really. They made like five games throughout all of the PS1 era. Really weird.
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Post by Weasel on Apr 5, 2012 14:17:02 GMT -5
That's a damn good question that I'd like to ask Enix, really. They made like five games throughout all of the PS1 era. Really weird. I think most of Enix's energy in that era was spent making Game Boy Color games.
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Post by 9inchsamurai on Apr 5, 2012 15:00:26 GMT -5
Enix's American presence was temporarily halted for about 4-5 years when it closed in 1995. It didn't reopen until Dragon Warrior Monsters in 1999. That's why we missed DQ5 and 6 here.
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Post by Allie on Apr 5, 2012 15:00:27 GMT -5
The Square-Enix merger is a bit foggy in my memory. For some reason I had the impression that it happened during the early PS1 era. Guess not. The first game published in the west after the merger was Drakengard, I believe. (And I'm under the impression that Drag-On Dragoon, the Japanese version, was a pre-merger Enix release over there...) Of course, then there were Enix's PS1 games that Sony published in the US (Bust-A-Groove and Star Ocean 2), in addition to the 4 or 5 they published themselves. I never understood how Enix got hold of the Grandia series, though. I'm not very knowledgable about the dissolution of ESP in general (except to know that Treasure decided to Partner with Enix for a couple of games, and that Enix ended up with Grandia).
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Post by Super Orbus on Apr 5, 2012 22:52:40 GMT -5
Enix US closed up shop during the SNES era. They re-established their presence in time to publish Dragon Warrior (/Quest) VII, then got shutdown again before they got to localize the PS1 port of Dragon Quest IV (which was advertised in the Dragon Warrior VII package).
In between, the only Enix games we got were things like Star Ocean that some other publisher picked up for localization.
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Post by lanceboyle94 on Apr 7, 2012 17:09:51 GMT -5
Enix US closed up shop during the SNES era. They re-established their presence in time to publish Dragon Warrior (/Quest) VII, then got shutdown again before they got to localize the PS1 port of Dragon Quest IV (which was advertised in the Dragon Warrior VII package). In between, the only Enix games we got were things like Star Ocean that some other publisher picked up for localization. There was also Grandia Xtreme and RAD: Robot Alchemic Drive before Enix US got shutdown/absorbed into Square.
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