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Post by cj iwakura on Oct 1, 2013 19:48:11 GMT -5
So I've been playing this game.  I figure someone here is interested. The Silver Case is the first part of the aptly-named Kill The Past series, which includes Flower, Sun, and Rain(PS2/DS) and Killer7(GC, 'PS2'). The player navigates their way through a series of situations in a first-person perspective. The player character can move from node to node on an invisible grid (but with the graphics drawn in real-time 3D), rotating their view horizontally and vertically, and selecting actions to carry out on various items in the environment, or in the character's inventory.
Non-interactive story elements are presented in a unique style dubbed “Film Window” by the game's creators. While the story and dialogue proceeds in written text, other information and images regarding the story or presentation such as real-time 3D displays, real-life photographs, 2D illustrations, video, typography, texts, etc. are constantly changed and displayed in a series of frames that are automatically opened and closed as the main text displays.
In 1999, there exists an area called the "24 Districts". A series of mysterious and bizarre murders have happened there. Detectives of the High-degree Murder Division (HMD) in the 24 Districts Police Department investigate the case and find that they closely match the profile of a well-known killer, Kamui Uehara, who assassinated many key government figures one after another several years ago.
Uehara was supposedly shot and killed by Kusabi, a veteran detective of the HMD, but current events seem to indicate that Uehara is still alive, and at large in the 24 Districts. Has the deadly assassin returned to life? And now, a beginner's guide. The opening:         So how does this crazy slice of Suda play? Glad you asked.   During The Silver Case, you examine rooms in a 3D environment, using this little compass-like thing in the lower right. Options are Contact(Examine), Move, Implement(Use Item), and Save. There's also some very creative, fun puzzles, which you can solve with little to no Japanese knowledge. (pSX made these in weird resolution, sorry.)         This is all from Chapter 1. In a dream world I would translate this game next, but I'm not sure there's a translator out there with that kind of time and patience. This is a huge script, and it's all text. |
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Post by vysethebold on Oct 1, 2013 20:57:48 GMT -5
Many adventure game fans put this up there with Snatcher and SteinsGate as one of the best Japanese titles in the genre. I really wish this game was in English. I actually spoke to Suda about it at PAX East two years ago and he said he'd like to bring out the 3DS remake in English sometime when it's finished. Here's to hoping he gets to do it!
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Post by cj iwakura on Oct 1, 2013 21:08:27 GMT -5
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Post by cj iwakura on Oct 1, 2013 23:07:57 GMT -5
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Post by vetus on Oct 2, 2013 0:00:09 GMT -5
By the way what's your opinion about Flower, Sun, and Rain? Cuz I haven't heard the best opinions about it, nor I have seen any fanbase for it even among Suda 51 fans.
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Post by ZenithianHero on Oct 2, 2013 8:46:08 GMT -5
I loved Flower, Sun and Rain and was very disappointed SUDA51 didn't release Silver Case DS. I really hope he is working on it now. If anyone translates this game I will be forever grateful.
FSR is not for everybody, more-so than SUDA51's No More Heroes onward projects. I wish I copy-paste what I said in the XSEED Forum but it is down. Gameplay involves running back and forth throughout the island (each chapter makes you travel farther and farther) with linear pathways to solve requests from the NPCs. The puzzles are all about typing in the right numbers which the solution is in a guide book with you at all times. If it doesn't sound fun, it purposely isn't. That is the beauty of the game. It is aware of this and Sumio Mondo gets trolled along the way. There is even a pedometer an the game unlocks bonus material with a step milestone! I was hooked immediately by the writing in this. Everybody is quirky and the dialogue is amusing throughout.
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Post by cj iwakura on Oct 2, 2013 17:47:36 GMT -5
By the way what's your opinion about Flower, Sun, and Rain? Cuz I haven't heard the best opinions about it, nor I have seen any fanbase for it even among Suda 51 fans. I enjoyed it. And GAF actually had a few fans of it too. Just whatever you do, play it in spurts. It gets tedious really fast, but the story itself is a trip. |
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Post by Ryusui on Oct 2, 2013 19:22:16 GMT -5
I keep forgetting that got released in the US. How's the localization?
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Post by cj iwakura on Oct 2, 2013 21:07:45 GMT -5
I keep forgetting that got released in the US. How's the localization? Excellent. Treated with extensive care. |
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Post by Ryusui on Oct 2, 2013 22:17:29 GMT -5
I ought to pick it up sometime, then.
As for this...it's a shame I know jack squat about PS1 hacking, though I suspect it's not too different from my experience with DS hacking. Obviously the text engine is gonna take some work...
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Post by vysethebold on Oct 5, 2013 0:39:56 GMT -5
I keep forgetting that got released in the US. How's the localization? Excellent. Treated with extensive care. Except for one thing: one of the questions you have to ask is based off the legal drinking age. This was never changed for the US so you have to answer "20" rather than "21" as in the Japanese legal drinking age. Not a bad translation, per say, but a weird oversight in localization. |
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Post by cj iwakura on Oct 5, 2013 8:06:34 GMT -5
The (mostly) complete, sordid tale of Kill The Past.Music! Source: www.gpara.com/special/soft/fsr/suda_answer27.htmThe backstory is kind of nuts.  Twilight Syndrome was Suda's first non-wrestling project with Human Entertainment, his first job in gaming. That was basically self-contained.  After the two Twilight Syndrome games, Suda developed Moonlight Syndrome. A gaiden story to that, which had its own resolution... sort of. (Massive script translation effort here)  The ending is some nightmare fuel, too, and I imagine it left more than a few people going WTF.  MS, TSC, K7 spoilers.After the credits roll.
We are taken back into Ryo's room.
Rumi is shocked to see Ryo laying there lifeless.
Ryo is clutching on to a paper bag containing the severed head of his sister Kyoko Kazan.
Rumi looks at the tv screen & sees Mika Kishi trapped inside.
Moonlight Syndrome never actually tells you why Mika Kishi is stuck inside the tv.
(In fact the MS ending is the only time in the game that the tv ever gets focused on.) The only hints that we have to go on are
1. Mika was present during the ending credits. She hugs Ryo Kazan.
2. We later see Ryo lying around dead or unconscious sitting in front of a tv & still holding on to Kyoko's head contained inside a brown bag.
(The brown bags in Killer 7 are supposedly the heads of the Smith Syndicate.)
3. You can clearly see Mika Kishi tapped inside Ryo's tv.
This cliffhanger from Moonlight Syndrome finally gets answered 8 yrs. later (2005. Moonlight Syndrome was originally released in 1997.)
with the release of Killer 7.
Emir Parkreiner from Killer 7, who uses the tv as a medium in order to "channel" in the Smith syndicate is actually a conclusion to the ending of Moonlight Syndrome. I'll elaborate more on that later...
Silver Case concluded what happened to Ryo Kazan & Rumi Touba after Moonlight Syndrome. Then, Suda formed GHM and did The Silver Case.  TSC had a limited budget for 3d and such, so the small team at GHM invented the Film Window system. Lots of animated text and stills with minimal 3d effects.  How TSC ties into MS and K7... (Massive spoilers for all.) In Silver Case, at Jan. 29, 1999 a quarter to midnight.
(SC actually begins during the same duration of time that Moonlight Syndrome ended.)
Ryo Kazan goes apeshit insane & went on a killing spree. One of his attempted targets was Tetsuguro Kusabi.
Later on in SC, Tetsuguro shoots Ryo about 5 times.
However the final shot actually came from Rumi Touba. (The woman who went to check up on Ryo during Moonlight Syndrome's ending.)
Rumi is later killed by Tetsuguro, because she failed to comply with his orders.
Finally, Killer 7 shows to you the final conclusion to Moonlight Syndrome
The meaning behind the tv & what actually happened to Mika Kishi.
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In Killer 7 we later find out that
The Smith Syndicate are all dead, & we actually transmigrate their souls into Emir through the use of the tv as a medium.
Through the course of the game mechanics of Killer 7. We are indirectly explained how Mika was able to hug Ryo during the credits.
She was actually a corporeal spirit, who may have been using Rumi's body as a host.
Just like how the Killer 7 utilize Emir's body as the main host in order to exist in the physical plane.
So in effect it's not that K7 is referencing Moonlight Syndrome.
Killer 7 is actually closing the final chapter in the Moonlight Syndrome game.
(The only remaining loose thread from Moonlight Syndrome is Yayoi Itsushima/Hanayama herself.)
As we start the Silver Case, Tetsuguro is shot at by Ryo Kazan.
(The full moon faze that we saw from Killer 7 starts flickering in the Silver Case. Full moons typically indicate full blown insanity.)
Ryo is than cornered to the cauliflower factory & goes on a murder spree.
By the end of Silver Case's prelude Ryo Kazan is thought to have been shot dead by Tetsuguro Kusabi. (Who fired at least 6 slugs into Ryo.)
It is actually Rumi Touba who kills off Ryo for good, but she is later shot in between the eyes by Tetesuguro Kusabi.  Another new story, but it also has MS characters in a minor role. It mostly resolves things, though some characters move on to....  Flower, Sun, and Rain.  A character from TSC appears in FSR, with several others influencing the plot, and tying up some loose ends in TSC, yet adding several more.   FSR spoilers. (More details on Sumio's drama between TSC and FSR). Refers to both Tokio Morishima & Sumio Mondo.
Tokio Morishima returned to Lospass resort soon after he was handed the notebook containing all the classified information about the "Silver Case"
Sumio Mondo is taught the truth about Lospass from Morishima.
(Sumio protected Tokio Morishima during one of the cases in The Silver Case.)
Sumio had to forget the past in order to relive in the present.
Sumio Mondo is nothing more than an alias that Sumio Kodai went by. He went by the name Mondo for so long that he eventually forgot that Kodai is his original identity.
Sumio confronts his past in The Silver Case.
Sumio & his child hood friends enact their revenge on a ceo.
(The Ceo used his own daughter as a scapegoat. His daughter was raped & killed by an angry mob of people known as the "Parade".)
Sumio indirectly forced the Ceo of Mikumo to blow up the entire city.
Sumio came from a town called Mikumomura. Everybody from Mikumomura were under the pay roll of the Iregyura Yuki factory.
Waste water from the factory greatly attributed to the rise of pollution within the area.
Adults of Mikmomura demonstrated protests against the factory every week.
The protests gradually became cruel, and disorderly.
The chaotic nature of the protest's became to be known as the "Parade" referring to the congregation of protesting madmen.
The "parade" attacked the manager of Mikumo 77.
The manager's family tried to flee, but they and the house they resided in were nothing more than a husk of cast-off skin by the end of the night.
The manager's daughter Ril, was the sole survivor of the family.
Sumio grabbed Ril by the hand, and tried to slip out of the city.
They were eventually caught by the "Parade".
The adults of the "Parade" antagonized Ril & labeled her a witch.
Sumio & all of whom who tried to protect Ril were punished for their transgressions.
(Hiseki & Fyuki are Sumio's childhood friends. Ril the eldest of them all was a girl that he yearned for.)
Hiseki's punishment, so as not to see the witch, eyes are crushed.
Fyuki's punishment, so as not to call the witch, the mouth is sewn.
So as not to hear the witch's voice, oil was poured into Sumio's ears.
And, Ril is violated & raped to death by adults, she was only eight years old. Sumio held a grudge against all Iregyura Yuki, especially the ringleader and he had a grudge against the ominous Mikumo.
20 years later-
His childhood friends both committed suicide.
One hung himself after blowing up a Yukimo mansion & everybody inside it.
Sumio's other friend suicide bombed himself while jumping through a tower, killing everybody inside.)
Sumio is then relieved of duty & kicked out of the Felonious Ward 24 police. The 2nd division is disbanded after that,because Tetsugoro Kusabi was the only other member of the 2nd division.
During a case that involved investigating Mikmomura. Sumio executed the plan to manipulate the Iregyura Yuki to annihilate the city from his child hood. One by one the members of the Iregyura Yuki committed suicide by either blowing their selves apart with time bombs or fell to their deaths. The chairman of the Iregyura Yuki self detonated the Snow Tower which resulted in taking out the entire village of Mikmomura along with it.
With the Yuki conglomerate eliminated & the city burnt to ashes,
Sumio Killed the past.
Tetsugoro Kusabi corrects the past in The Silver Case.
Kusabi never actually apprehended the criminal who committed the "Silver Case". The true culprit behind the murders died during a shoot out at a political meeting high up in a tv tower.
The assassin in question was hired by the FSO political environmental safety faction that were led by Sundance. After the "Silver Case" incident the FSO party were regarded as nothing more than a group of organized gangsters. They dissolved after losing what political prowess they had left & the leader, Sundance Shot was nowhere to be found.
Sumio Kodai finally returned to reality when he saw a familiar face. The face of Tetsuguro Kusabi.
Note: For the duration of FSR. Tetsuguro Kusabi was masquerading as a heavy set man named Peter Bocchwinkur.
Tetsuguro Kusabi eventually took off his Peter Bocchwinkur mask when it got too hot for him to wear the Peter Bochwinkur muppet suit. Then, Killer7.  GHM has said K7 isn't part of KTP, yet it has a lot of similar elements(the full moon, characters dealing with pasts, even characters from FSR making an appearance!).  Edo McAlister himself runs the desk at the Union Hotel.  "I always remember our guests, sir. Even that case of yours..." K7 spoilers.  Killer 7 borrows heavily from the Silver Case.
Harman Smith would be the Silver eye phenomenon.
Kun Lan might possibly be inspired by Uehara Kamui
Curtis Blackburn's black market organs are the Shelter children program.
Heaven's Smile are reminiscent to those who commit suicide during the night of a Moonlight Syndrome..
Iwazaru,Kikazaru & Mizaru are Sumio,Fyuki, & Hiseki (Speak no evil, See no evil, Hear no Evil)
Garcian Smith is a combination of the above.
Ed Macalister, who makes a cameo in Killer 7.
Makes a subtle reference at Garcian possibly being a stock body of Sumio Mondo.
"I remember all the faces of our guests. Including your bag sir."
Bag refers to Garcian's weapon case.
Ed Macalister is actually alluding to Sumio's briefcase, Katharine.
(Which coincidentally is the same name as EMIR'S MOTHER.)  Sylvia Christel from NMH1 even sports an FSR bikini, and you can see the Lospass Plane in the background. And lastly(though many deny this one), NMH1's ties to K7. (K7, NMH, and Moonlight Syndrome Spoilers!) "I'm afraid it don't work like that. Time to die, first rank." More details, No More Heroes 1 spoilers.
Travis Touchdown has repressed memories of his parents being slain by a female assassin.
It turns out that female assassin is actually his half-sister.
Travis's father abandoned that female assassin's mother to run off with Travis's mother.
It broke the female assassin's mother's heart beyond repair.
So she (the mother) killed herself.
Travis's father took advantage of the female assassin, and molested her daily.
Travis's father made her his slave.
She eventually decided to become a killer. With no money to pay for training, She paid with her body.
To Travis Touchdown, his father appeared to be a hard-working family man. That was all an act. So that female assassin decided to clean it up herself.
This is why she killed Travis Touchdown's father in front of his very eyes...
That female assassin is Sylvia Christel's sister, Jeane Christel.
Note: The plot of No More Heroes is supposed to be satire poking fun of gaming narratives. So if you felt that all the characters being related to each other was a bit inexcusable. Worry not, because NMH isn't meant to be taken seriously.
So yeah. I'm currently looking into methods of fan-translating The Silver Case, but I feel like there's a lot of groundwork to cover before hand, at very least Moonlight Syndrome. |
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Post by ZenithianHero on Oct 5, 2013 9:03:42 GMT -5
It's a fascinating franchise that unfortunately majority of Suda51 fans including myself will probably never fully get into.
It would be cool to see a Director's cut of Killer 7 restoring some of the original concepts. Very least a new stage with Sundance but his part of the story may have been much deeper than a stage boss or whatever.
That Moonlight Syndrome translation, is that just text or is it going to be a patch?
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Post by cj iwakura on Oct 5, 2013 9:22:18 GMT -5
It's just text for now. I told EsperKnight about it, and he immediately started tinkering with his ISO of Moonlight Syndrome. So, we'll see. I know Vermillion from Paradise Hotel is just a translator, though, so that's all she(?) did for now. Esper did say every chapter of MS uses a different font, so I imagine it will be a PAIN. Also, I did a more spoiler heavy version here. Covers TSC, MS, FSR, K7, and NMH spoilers, but they're all concealed behind their spoiler system. I still don't really get the one here. (Never mind, works fine, editing above post.) |
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Post by ZenithianHero on Oct 5, 2013 9:56:45 GMT -5
I see, I wish all the KTP translators luck. Is there any meaning to the different font?
I don't know what is up with the spoiler system, it seems to work as I've seen the tag in the finished games thread but when you preview post it doesn't show up. I would just try it and edit out if it fails.
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