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Post by Discoalucard on May 23, 2015 19:46:49 GMT -5
 www.hardcoregaming101.net/lemmings/lemmings.htmDMA Design's classic puzzle game has you guiding a group of mindless rodents through tricks, traps, and other assorted dangers. Includes a look at all of the (many many) ports of the original game, plus its numerous successors, official and otherwise. |
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Post by JDarkside on May 23, 2015 21:31:46 GMT -5
Surprised there wasn't already an article up on that one.
Lemmings is weird, it's like a huge running series that should have had a massive impact somehow, but it never really felt like it did, at least in a direct way.
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Post by hudakj on May 24, 2015 0:53:02 GMT -5
I've always felt that Lemmings was more of a sleeper hit, as puzzlers generally are. But also in line with quality puzzlers, this one got a strong core fanbase and for the most part catered it well.
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Post by Gendo Ikari on May 24, 2015 2:00:35 GMT -5
My experience beyond the original game is limited but I remember the popularity Lemmings got at the time. THe sequels brought interesting innovations or changes but as noted, either the first game was already enough for the public (given its slew of ports too) or they mistakenly thought they were just more of the same, a notion the releases of the "Holiday" packs may have strenghtened, who knows. Lomax is a forgotten little gem.
About the clones, I'm surprised by no mention of Team 17's Flockers, which seems a natural continuation of their work on Lemmings in previous years. Seems to be fairly unexceptional anyway, beside the many ways the sheep can die.
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Post by Bobinator on May 24, 2015 10:02:11 GMT -5
Flockers wasn't announced yet at the time of writing. That said, I do own it now, so I probably should write about it.
Something else I'd like to clarify: The sound quality on the Lynx version was more than likely due to Handy's subpar sound emulation. On MESS, it sounds a lot better, which I should mention sooner or later in the article.
Finally, there was a Master System prototype of Lemmings 2 dumped a while back. As far as I can tell, it's closest to the Game Boy version. ((EDIT: Oh, wait, this was already mentioned in the article. Still, I'll touch on it eventually.))
I'll try to give this an update sometime in the near future.
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Post by Discoalucard on May 24, 2015 12:20:28 GMT -5
Made a few small updates (and will probably be adding more sporadically, since there's a lot of little details to cover). Removed the bit about Lemmings 1 and the SNES mouse, added a bit about the 666 level (and some of the changes it made to different versions) and added a pic of the PS2 Eyetoy mode. I originally intended to take my own pictures of this mode but I ran into trouble with my video capture device and the PS2, and emulators don't support the Eyetoy (at least, last I checked) so I had to grab them elsewhere. Should also add this cheeky fan game too at some point: www.lemonamiga.com/games/details.php?id=2202 |
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Post by 16bitter on May 24, 2015 13:02:44 GMT -5
A minor correction: DMA Design became Rockstar North after the success of GTA III, a subsidiary studio of its publisher Rockstar Games, which is US-based and existed independently of DMA.
Great write-up otherwise, I never knew that the Lomax game looked so good.
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Post by windfisch on May 24, 2015 16:33:17 GMT -5
It is nice to have a Lemmings article on this site. But I was surprised to read that the Lynx version should be "one of the worst handheld ports". At the time of its release it even got some pretty good reviews.
Yes, the view is a little zoomed in but on the other hand the game looks and sounds a lot like the original Amiga game, even more than the Game Gear version (the intro animation for that one just looks so wrong, for example). This is something one should not underestimate, since Lemming's presentation has a pretty iconic appeal - especially to the generation growing up with it. It also seems to have all the levels intact and to run quite smoothly, without flickering sprites (unlike the GG and GB versions).
Regarding the gameplay: I tried the Lynx version on an emulator once and I found it quite playable, despite its limitations.
Overall it is not the best handheld version, since it is inferior to the PSP (although I prefer the original pixel art) and probably tied to GG. But it is far better than the one for Gameboy.
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Post by zerker on May 24, 2015 17:24:41 GMT -5
Some minor comments:
Lemmings 2 DOS version actually sounds pretty good with an MT32, but most people don't have that option.
Page 3 has the wrong character encoding (e.g. they値l)
Lemmings 3D also has keyboard camera keys in addition to right mouse controls. The manual even recommends this alternative.
Forum link is broken on pages 4,6.
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Post by Bobinator on May 24, 2015 17:58:27 GMT -5
It is nice to have a Lemmings article on this site. But I was surprised to read that the Lynx version should be "one of the worst handheld ports". At the time of its release it even got some pretty good reviews. Yes, the view is a little zoomed in but on the other hand the game looks and sounds a lot like the original Amiga game, even more than the Game Gear version (the intro animation for that one just looks so wrong, for example). This is something one should not underestimate, since Lemming's presentation has a pretty iconic appeal - especially to the generation growing up with it. It also seems to have all the levels intact and to run quite smoothly, without flickering sprites (unlike the GG and GB versions). Regarding the gameplay: I tried the Lynx version on an emulator once and I found it quite playable, despite its limitations. Overall it is not the best handheld version, since it is inferior to the PSP (although I prefer the original pixel art) and probably tied to GG. But it is far better than the one for Gameboy. Honestly, in retrospect, I'd say I was pretty unfair to that particular port. I put part of the blame on Handy, the emulator I was using. Lately I've switched over to MESS when it comes to Lynx emulation, which I think should be a big help when it comes to framerate and audio quality. If there's anything that I'd want to fix from this article, that paragraph will be the first. |
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Post by Magma MK-II on May 24, 2015 19:45:56 GMT -5
So nice to finally see a Lemmings article here! And with so many mentions over the article, I'll surely wait for the inevitable Worms article!
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Post by Bobinator on May 24, 2015 21:01:15 GMT -5
Oh, I've considered it. The problem is they make so many of the damn things that the article would be outdated by the time I sent it out.  |
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Post by Magma MK-II on May 24, 2015 22:47:45 GMT -5
That is to be expected, since it is essentially their cash cow. I think it could be pulled off if it is posted in parts like the Mega Man and Wizardry articles were.
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Post by Elvin Atombender on May 25, 2015 2:27:55 GMT -5
Glad to see an article about Lemmings. As a minor correction,there is Ghouls n' Ghosts incorrectly addressed as Ghouls n' Goblins.
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Post by elektrolurch on May 25, 2015 3:59:36 GMT -5
I've always felt that Lemmings was more of a sleeper hit, as puzzlers generally are. But also in line with quality puzzlers, this one got a strong core fanbase and for the most part catered it well. At the time, I'd say it was not a sleeper hit. It was a craze. It was EVERYWHERE..but as crazes go, it faded away quickly into obscurity I would guess. Anyway, nice to have an article which also includes the spinn offs. Now, what about an article on the missadventures of Fink? Was a very good game in its own right. And also very,very,very good looking. |
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