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Post by vetus on Dec 21, 2015 12:03:23 GMT -5
Seeing how popular is Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing and its (personally I found them just ok but nothing more) and that a new Mario Kart-style is under development with characters from indie games (including Carol from Freedom Planet) made me think this:
Mario Kart-wanabee games must finally die. Most of them (from old games till modern ones) lack originality (even Crash Team Racing, most stages are rip-offs of Mario Kart 64 stages), they're just Mario Kart re-skin with other characters and similar power ups.
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Post by Bobinator on Dec 21, 2015 14:12:58 GMT -5
Seeing how popular is Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing and its (personally I found them just ok but nothing more) and that a new Mario Kart-style is under development with characters from indie games (including Carol from Freedom Planet) made me think this: Mario Kart-wanabee games must finally die. Most of them (from old games till modern ones) lack originality (even Crash Team Racing, most stages are rip-offs of Mario Kart 64 stages), they're just Mario Kart re-skin with other characters and similar power ups. Ah, yes, that constant flood of Mario Kart style games that the industry can't seem to free itself from, like Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing, F1 Racing Stars, and Seriously, out of all the genres the gaming industry is getting drowned in, like open-world, first-person survival games that never get finished, and that's the one you think needs to stop? (EDIT: OK, maybe there's a few others, like ModNation and LBP Racing and whatever, but that's barely a drop in the bucket compared to, say, military-themed first person shooters, or MOBAs.)
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Post by GamerL on Dec 22, 2015 8:23:22 GMT -5
It's true, Kart Racers used to be a much bigger genre (does here remember Star Wars Super Bombad Racing?), but it's hardly big enough today to get annoying.
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Post by vetus on Dec 22, 2015 16:05:06 GMT -5
Smartphones market is full of poor Mario Kart rip-offs since it's easy money. Also Mario Karts clones is a trend that should end many years ago.
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Post by cambertian on Dec 22, 2015 16:09:24 GMT -5
My only real complaint about Kart Racers racers is that it's hard to change or add mechanics to them. Sure, you could add speed bonuses for drifting, or for landing after a jump, but... then what?
It's why I wish there were more F-Zero style games instead.
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Post by Arale on Dec 22, 2015 17:34:05 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned Mario Kart itself needs to end, though. It's not doing anything original, so I'm not sure why it's an exception. Stop making boring racing games, period - just cause Mario Kart started the trend doesn't mean it's not guilty of following it blindly. And "normal" racing games are pretty damn boring too - I would prefer Mario Kart-inspired colorfulness to a long line of car advertisements. I think the only racing games I've actually liked are Sonic R and Kirby Air Ride.
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Post by vetus on Dec 22, 2015 17:47:37 GMT -5
The thing with Mario Kart series is that not only it's faith to its well-made formula but also improve it and add new, cool stuff in most games. That's why I still enjoy it.
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Post by GamerL on Dec 22, 2015 22:29:07 GMT -5
Smartphones market is full of poor Mario Kart rip-offs since it's easy money. That doesn't really count, the smart phone market is a sea of garbage best ignored.
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Post by 🧀Son of Suzy Creamcheese🧀 on Dec 23, 2015 4:57:35 GMT -5
The market isn't flooded by Mario Kart clones as far as I know. There were a few in the late 90's/early 00's, but honestly, it's much less than all the more "realistic" racers. The ones with oftentimes have elements like real cars, 'career mode', one big city in which all the races take place. When some guy gave me his old Xbox, half of the games were FPS's, and half were racing games like that. As far as I'm concerned Mario Kart itself needs to end, though. It's not doing anything original, so I'm not sure why it's an exception. Stop making boring racing games, period - just cause Mario Kart started the trend doesn't mean it's not guilty of following it blindly. And "normal" racing games are pretty damn boring too I don't think Mario Kart is stagnant at all. In fact, I'd go as far as to say Mario Kart 8 makes DS, Wii and 7 obsolete. And I'm not really sure what trend it's 'blindly following'. Being a kart racer? These aren't a dime a dozen (certainly not these days), and MK at least does enough new stuff to stay fresh and only appears once every few years. They're not making them because a kart racer is an easy sell, but because they make them so well. But you already admitted you don't like racing games anyway.
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Post by rainkaimaramon on Dec 23, 2015 9:28:38 GMT -5
One I would hope to go away is the "X is you", the blank, the large gapping hole in the universe. I loath them, especially in horror and role playing games. It's suppose to be for immersion but I cannot stand it, it feels like I'm playing with paper dolls or just a drone.
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Post by hudakj on Dec 24, 2015 17:02:48 GMT -5
Kart racing games were sort of a go-to generic franchise game for a while. You know, back when stuff like South Park Rally, Crash Team racing and Chocobo Racing were made simply because the Mario Kart forumula proved to be a money maker and it was and excuse to use otherwise stagnant IPs without trying too hard.
It was pretty much the video gaming equivalent to Wacky Races.
Also, I think Mario Kart was the first of the Mario "sporting" games populated by their popular IP characters to ease newcomers into the sports genres.
There was a time when I wanted the Mario sports titles to take a rest, back when they were THE Mario stopgap titles on the N64 and Gamecube when everyone really wanted the next true Mario game and just bought them to get a Mario fix.
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Post by caoslayer on Dec 28, 2015 13:56:20 GMT -5
I recognize Tidus and Vaan, but what "White Knight" are you referring to? White Knight Chronicles. As case of point, here are all the cutscenes of the game, skip to 10:00 for a total embarasement of story telling. www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmW2iMDGfXsThe character you control is only there to give the main character someone to speak to.
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Post by cola on Dec 29, 2015 14:37:42 GMT -5
Hmm. Lots of good stuff in this thread. I will admit;my commitment to contemporary gaming is questionable, but I do think I have a solid perspective.
Open world games have definitely become the go to, boring genre of today. I believe this trend is tied in to the shoehorning in RPG elements. They ultimately feel like shallow time sinks with mechanics very similar to MMO gameplay without as much reward. Honestly though, I think this is just indicative of a trend of almost all contemporary gaming and that is what I would call "template developing. It seems as if there are only a few templates being used and the mass amount of games just acting as reskins of games prior.
I also think its a trend for gaming publications to hype the writing of a game that actually just consists of bloated dialogue and trite decision making to mold an even more shallow story than you would have gotten had the dev team just written the whole thing out in a linear fashion. Im not sure gamers ever got tired of linear storyelling or gameplay, they just got tired of it being done poorly and becoming repetitive.
Games seem to depend on interesting, intuitive gameplay less and less and depend more on collecting pointless loot and extremely shallow crafting/alchemy mechanic. This last week I replayed D2 on dreamcast and ICO on ps2 and both, (among a myriad of other reasons,) were compelling on control decisions and DESIGN decisions. Whether or not the creative aspects of a game fail or succeed, if they are strong enough they will at least be compelling. I have yet to play a single truly compelling game this generation.
I guess what Im trying to get at is I wish developers would be more concerned with creative design than inefficient bloat and repetitive worlds and scenarios. This argument could also be combined with the current economic landscape of gaming, and how there are hardly and b/c/z list dev teams making anything and it seems to just be AAA and indie stuff with no in between. In the past we could depend more on unknown developers still getting a little bit of money to publish an interesting game, but I feel like even with ps3 the variety of games started to streamline leaving us with fewer and fewer options. Sorry sort of rant like but I have to get to work. Looking forward to further discussion on these topics
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Post by matthew on Jan 8, 2016 22:26:04 GMT -5
I recognize Tidus and Vaan, but what "White Knight" are you referring to? White Knight Chronicles. As case of point, here are all the cutscenes of the game, skip to 10:00 for a total embarasement of story telling. www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmW2iMDGfXsThe character you control is only there to give the main character someone to speak to. Thanks. I see what you mean...that's downright creepy.
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Post by qishmish on Jan 9, 2016 9:17:15 GMT -5
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Sonic All Star Transformed is awesome and even better than MK in terms of competitive gameplay (at least than mk7)
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