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Post by X-pert74 on Sept 15, 2016 0:21:38 GMT -5
I've never seen Evangelion. Is it worth watching?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 0:23:05 GMT -5
I've never seen Evangelion. Is it worth watching? I watched it for the first time last year. It's...different? Certainly not a merry jaunt through anime lane. It also doesn't exactly have a very coherent story. |
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Post by Maciej Miszczyk on Sept 15, 2016 0:28:01 GMT -5
I've never seen Evangelion. Is it worth watching? it starts off slow, then turns into a more or less typical mecha shonen, then it begins falling apart into the insanity of quick montages, screaming, religious references and depression until no concrete plot is left. it's a bit pretentious but I enjoyed it. |
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Post by Ryzuki on Sept 15, 2016 0:37:10 GMT -5
Haven't seen any of the movies, remakes or what have you, but the original, yes. It's a classic that I believe any fan of anime should see once at some point. The conversations can move rather slowly at times with long pauses ( like many anime shows form that time) but that's the only flaw that comes to mind.
The story left me wondering, but I can't really judge it fairly since there are so many retellings and sequels. Although I did find it interesting and enjoyed my time watching it. I intend to watch the rest of the series at some point.
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Post by The Great Klaid on Sept 15, 2016 0:57:29 GMT -5
I've never seen Evangelion. Is it worth watching? I'll be the dissenting voice when I say fucking hell go watch it already. It's probably my favorite anime. I say it's biggest thesis statement is "What if regular people were in an anime". It's not quite right. Because the characters are wholly fucked up, but part of that is because of the anime plot. But I mean it's about kids piloting mechs, not because they're some prodigies, but because they were forced. The main villain just wants to see his wife again. And it's binding question is "What is a person. What makes him him." Which is why I think I'll go with the actual episodes 25 and 26 as the ending and not the movies. Because the characters finally get to answer these questions themselves. And yeah it's pretty pretentious. But after the first half I think it kind of earns it. The first half is pretty standard anime, hinting at what's about to come. It sets the stage. Mild Spoilers for an example.
First half Misato: Flirty, a little bit of lush and kind of loose
Second half Misato: Turns out she was at the epicenter of what kickstarted the plot ceased talking and is making up for lost time
Ending Misato: She fears that's all she is to anybody. That she only finds worth in sleeping around. Which is what she thinks other people think of her. Are you familiar with the mirror philosophy?
And the first half is a hoot. Like it's the definition of "Came for X stayed for Y". But you know you're watching 90's anime with things like "Thermal Expansion? That's easy, for example if I rubbed my breasts, would they shrink or grow?". Also, speaking of Asuka, she'll always hold a special place in my heart. Because her and Shinji were a lot like me and my first girlfriend. Maybe give or take me jacking off over her comatose body. The movie's really fucking weird. Her constant demands of "aren't you a man!" I didn't kiss her in her sleep, but it was pretty similar to that. We also may have synchronized everything we did once for an important mech battle. Those were flighty halcyon days, and my memory is poor at best. She's an angry Red headed German. And I shit you not, the last time she texted me, after years of not speaking, "Hey shit lips". From a number I didn't recognize. I replied "I expected nothing less from you." All this said, because I forgot. I haven't been digging the Rebirth series. I was okay up until 3.33. But then it lost me. Too much was changed with too much remaining the same. NGE is a perfect storm. I think changing up things isn't working out well anymore. Also fuck Kaoru being on the Moon. |
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Post by GamerL on Sept 15, 2016 2:01:34 GMT -5
I've never seen Evangelion. Is it worth watching? It's only one of the greatest animes of all time, I'm dead serious. In fact I'd say it's second only to Cowboy Bebop as the best anime TV series of all time (and to be honest, I might even give it the edge over Cowboy Bebop, but it's a tough choice) and End of Evangelion, the movie follow up, will make you feel like you're trippin' balls. Protip: the director of the series had a mental breakdown partway through the production of the series and the show itself reflects that, there is literally nothing quite like Evangelion in the history of not just anime, but pretty much media in general, this thing goes deep into the darkness of the human soul in ways that the vast majority of media never dares to, it's basically Apocalypse Now with giant robots, it fucking rules. In other words, go watch it. |
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Post by akumajobelmont on Sept 15, 2016 4:58:46 GMT -5
I've never seen Evangelion. Is it worth watching? It's only one of the greatest animes of all time, I'm dead serious. In fact I'd say it's second only to Cowboy Bebop as the best anime TV series of all time (and to be honest, I might even give it the edge over Cowboy Bebop, but it's a tough choice) and End of Evangelion, the movie follow up, will make you feel like you're trippin' balls. Protip: the director of the series had a mental breakdown partway through the production of the series and the show itself reflects that, there is literally nothing quite like Evangelion in the history of not just anime, but pretty much media in general, this thing goes deep into the darkness of the human soul in ways that the vast majority of media never dares to, it's basically Apocalypse Now with giant robots, it fucking rules. In other words, go watch it. Damned straight. Cowboy Bebop and Evangelion were MY JAM back in the day. Evangelion has it's faults, but I don't really even like calling them faults, because it's what makes it so utterly unique. Loved them both to bits though. I haven't re-watched either for at least 15 years... though that might change now that Bebop is making it's way to crunchyroll  |
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Post by Kubo Caskett on Sept 15, 2016 10:16:07 GMT -5
I've never seen Evangelion. Is it worth watching? Well yeah it's definitely worth watching, especially as things get out of hand throughout the book and you're like trying to hope for those characters to like overcome trouble but they have trouble with their mental issues; especially near the end where the craziest finale of all series begins (and I'm not talking about the anime series, but rather the End of Evangelion).
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Post by Maciej Miszczyk on Sept 15, 2016 10:38:33 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings about EoE. visually it's amazing (and visuals are half the fun in Evangelion) and I really like those live action parts but thematically, I kinda prefer the abstract happy ending of the show to its concrete bad ending |
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Post by Échalote on Sept 15, 2016 10:55:16 GMT -5
Eva and Moore's Watchmen are kinda similar in that they're both great works exploring usually pulpy genres that should never have been as influential as they have been.
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Post by llj on Sept 15, 2016 11:15:52 GMT -5
Eva and Moore's Watchmen are kinda similar in that they're both great works exploring usually pulpy genres that should never have been as influential as they have been. They're also different in that Watchmen was a carefully crafted story where all elements were deliberately telegraphed whereas Evangelion was more of a anarchic personal/cathartic work. I actually never bought into the analysis that Eva was "meant" to deconstruct the mecha genre. I think Anno simply used it as a platform to work out some of his own personal issues and the show coincidentally turned out looking like a deconstruction of the genre. What makes Eva unique as an 'auteurist' work is that most directors simply aren't allowed to get away with what he did. A show like Eva couldn't happen today, TV execs have a lot more control over their content now, whereas in the 80s and 90s it wasn't unusual for a TV station to get a new episode until about 24 hours before the air date so they didn't always *know* what they were getting all the time. I've even heard in some cases that there were last minute deliveries just on time. When an animation studio didn't get a new episode in on time, the TV station just airs a rerun. I still really like Eva, personally. Its last half is close enough to avant garde TV anime, in the truest sense of the word. You don't come across that kind of spontaneity in mainstream media very often. Most 'avant garde' anime has an affected air about them, a sort of controlled "weirdness for weird's sake". But Evangelion's disjointed feel was the result of budget problems, a director throwing his personal life into his work, and various unusual editing techniques used in order to squeeze as much self-indulgent self dialogue as possible into each 20 minute episode. So there is a sincerity about the show for all its "weirdness". As for the original topic of this thread, artists tend to have a love-hate relationship with their own industry. I wouldn't read too much into it. I'm not an artist but I can understand it. |
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Post by toei on Sept 15, 2016 15:14:19 GMT -5
As for the original topic of this thread, artists tend to have a love-hate relationship with their own industry. I wouldn't read too much into it. I'm not an artist but I can understand it. This. If you work full-time in that kind of field, of course at some point you'll wonder why you spend your life writing silly shit about superheroes and giant mechas, even if you really liked that stuff at some point. Plus a lot of artists have to work on stuff they don't actually like to make a living, so eventually that dislike will turn into hate for the material, and sometimes its fans. |
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Post by GamerL on Sept 15, 2016 18:40:16 GMT -5
Eva and Moore's Watchmen are kinda similar in that they're both great works exploring usually pulpy genres that should never have been as influential as they have been. I too have always seen a similarity between Eva and Watchmen in that both are very adult, post-modern takes on traditionally juvenile genres. Also, Japanese media seems to have a special talent for totally screwing with the audience's head, Evangelion, Metal Gear Solid 2, Silent Hill and Serial Experiments Lain are all things that make you feel like you're losing you're mind, the only western thing that's comparable would be David Lynch (who, no surprise, is very popular in Japan) |
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Post by silentstorm on Sept 16, 2016 4:45:01 GMT -5
I've never seen Evangelion. Is it worth watching? While i do find it a bit overrated i would say hell yes, both the tv shows and the movies are worth a watch. It is a bit confusing though, and a lot of things feel like they were just put there because they looked cool or deep instead of having a real reason to be there. Then again i am a guy that thinks anime like Monster and Mushishi are better than Evangelion, which does not seem to be the opinion of everyone else here. It's still my favorite mecha anime, and it does some shots and stuff with animation you can not find in other anime without coming as a rip-off, i mean, for God's sake, of the current anime, the one with the most different art style is Mob Psycho 100, and that is only because it is an adaptation of a japanese webcomic whose art sucks, and instead of making new drawings and making everything prettier like they usually do they literally adapted the bad art for tv, making it look different from other anime and in the opinion of many people(not me, i think it looks awesome but i know many people who saw the first few episodes who ended up quitting because of the art style) terrible, so i think Evangelion is worth a watch just for the art direction alone. |
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Post by Woody Alien on Sept 16, 2016 12:35:25 GMT -5
FWIW, I didn't think League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was bad, either. It was a pretty decent popcorn flick, especially for a mid 2000s film. Then again, I also liked the Watchmen film, so take of that as you will.  Why, was the Watchmen film bad? I liked it a lot, and I've read the comic at least 6 times. The montage at the beginning was very clever and a great way to summarize the comic itself. Of course there were the people who only could focus on the blue floppy dong but that's another story... I used to like EVA (or NGE, but certainly not LION) a lot, but then the third Rebuild movie ruined it retroactively for me. The fourth and final film, if it ever comes out, needs to be the best thing ever to get rid of all the missing plot points, unnecessary angst and pretentious references. But it most likely will be a disappointment a la Duke Nukem. |
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