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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 21:43:23 GMT -5
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Post by GamerL on Jan 24, 2017 22:14:10 GMT -5
I haven't seen Fight Club the movie nor read the book and to be honest I can't stand it, it just seems like so much 90s era "woe is me" bullshit as if people in the 90s had any real reason to feel discontent and disenfranchised, fuckers hadn't seen nothing yet!
A lot of stuff from the 90s is like that to me, I can't watch movies like Office Space or American Beauty anymore because they come off almost as self parodies of a self centered people who had no idea how good they had it and it still wasn't good enough, especially Office Space, that movie is so ridiculously dated, people would kill to have jobs like that now.
Then you have a lot of music from the 90s like Marylin Manson and Nine Inch Nails and now I don't mean to bash it too much, Nine Inch Nails is good stuff at least, but what were these guys so angry about? Like I said, they hadn't seen nothing yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 22:33:56 GMT -5
That's...not what Fight Club is at all. It also makes it sound as though you only recognize your own suffering as being valid, which is kind of weird.
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Post by cinnamon on Jan 24, 2017 22:56:14 GMT -5
Yeah no Fight Club is about like a post modernism take on 90s anti heroes taken to the extreme and a critique on masculinity, and also it's a dark comedy. It's not dreary at all or about suffering.
Definitely gonna debate Blade Runner, they're on par but they are really quite different.
Battle Royale is a lot better than Hunger Games in both itirations but the book is sloggishly long.
My fav book to movie adaptations are Never Let Me Go and Let The Right One In, but neither is superior to the book (I'd bear arguments for LTROI, though, as the movie really nails ambiguity).
The Exorcist maybe? Silence of the Lambs and the TV adaptation of Red Dragon probably are better than their book counter part.
Ooo I'd hear arguments for Howl's Moving Castle for sure.
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Post by GamerL on Jan 24, 2017 22:57:21 GMT -5
That's...not what Fight Club is at all. It also makes it sound as though you only recognize your own suffering as being valid, which is kind of weird. I'm not talking about my own suffering, I'm talking about the state of the world, in the 90s it was "trendy" for some to be angry and disenfranchised, like the whole goth culture or the movie Natural Born Killers (which I also hate) and "Edgy" music acts like Marylin Manson, Korn, Slipknot etc, you know what I'm talking about, right? I guess it's always that way, in the 80s you had the punk movement and stuff, but I'm just saying that sort of thing seems especially dated coming from the 90s because compared to the shit we've gone through over the last 16 years and the potential for things to get even worse, the 90s now seem like paradise, people really didn't realize how good they had it back then. But I admit I've never seen Fight Club, it just came off as edgy "fuck society, man!" type stuff but if you say there's more to it than that, fine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 23:00:26 GMT -5
Well even in an ideal world, people still have problems. Family members get sick, your job sucks, you feel spiritually or creatively unfulfilled. Things are worse now than they were in the 90s, sure, but it's human nature to find fault with any situation.
At least boy bands have gone away?
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Post by cinnamon on Jan 24, 2017 23:08:24 GMT -5
Unfortunately Fight Club definitely is just embraced by young dudes as a "fuck society!" kinda movie but Palahniuck is too pretentious to write just that and David Fincher is too talented a director to make something so basic. It's not amazing but it's aight.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 23:12:15 GMT -5
The screenwriter really saved that story. The book on its own is pretty unremarkable.
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Post by cinnamon on Jan 24, 2017 23:18:47 GMT -5
Palahniuck is fun if you read Guts to an audience but is otherwise pretentious and unremarkable, Fight Club is no exception. Definitely really elevated by everyone working on it.
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Post by GamerL on Jan 24, 2017 23:39:09 GMT -5
Well even in an ideal world, people still have problems. Family members get sick, your job sucks, you feel spiritually or creatively unfulfilled. Things are worse now than they were in the 90s, sure, but it's human nature to find fault with any situation. At least boy bands have gone away? The movies I'm talking about we're statements about American culture at large though, not personal struggles. Natural Born Killers was an indictment of the media landscape, Office Space was a takedown of corporate office job culture and American Beauty was about upper class suburban angst, all of those things are kind of dated in a world post-Great Recession and with a reality TV star as President. Maybe I'm a little harsh on American Beauty though, I do think it's a good movie and fundamentally it's about a dude's midlife crisis rather than about society as a whole I guess, I still maintain that Office Space, though funny, is also a profoundly dated movie. Palahniuck is fun if you read Guts to an audience but is otherwise pretentious and unremarkable, Fight Club is no exception. Definitely really elevated by everyone working on it. Isn't that the story about the guy who got his asshole sucked out by a swimming pool?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 23:48:07 GMT -5
Not sure I can agree with that. Office Space is just as valid today as it was back then. Working for a corporation is pretty much the same soul-draining experience now that it was in the 90s.
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Post by GamerL on Jan 24, 2017 23:58:33 GMT -5
Not sure I can agree with that. Office Space is just as valid today as it was back then. Working for a corporation is pretty much the same soul-draining experience now that it was in the 90s. That may be true, but having a steady, well paying job is preferable to poverty, even if it's boring.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 1:33:30 GMT -5
Like I said, it's human nature to find flaws in your present situation, even if there are a lot of reasons you should be grateful to be in that position to begin with. Besides, I thought you were all about 90s nostalgia?
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Post by surnshurn on Jan 25, 2017 1:59:46 GMT -5
Not sure I can agree with that. Office Space is just as valid today as it was back then. Working for a corporation is pretty much the same soul-draining experience now that it was in the 90s. That may be true, but having a steady, well paying job is preferable to poverty, even if it's boring. There are those who would beg to argue against you on that one. I was way happier as a homeless bike messenger than I was being stuck in a cubicle all day.
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Post by GamerL on Jan 25, 2017 6:44:09 GMT -5
Like I said, it's human nature to find flaws in your present situation, even if there are a lot of reasons you should be grateful to be in that position to begin with. Besides, I thought you were all about 90s nostalgia? I love the 90s but that doesn't mean everything from them is good. I'm just not too crazy about 90s cynicism, it just seems petty today and on the flipside to that there was a lot of schmaltzy crap in the 90s too like "Chicken Soup for the Soul" or Full House (why in God's name did Netlfix bring that show back? Ugh.) And the majority of the decade really isn't anything too special for movies, at least not compared to the 70s and 80s (that was something I thought even as a kid during the 90s, that I much preferred movies from the prior two decades over most then current films, save for Jurassic Park of course) But I'm sorry, I've just been in a grumpy mood lately (can you guess why?) and we're getting way off topic.
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