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Post by spanky on Jul 30, 2017 16:08:10 GMT -5
Man, I have fond memories of Fist of the North Star. I had a really boring night watchman job in 2009. Spent a whole summer at work watching the ENTIRE series of Fist of the North star for on Cruncyroll (or Funimation's website, I forget which one). It was free, subbed and had no commercials. The show was a complete slog and had the worst parts of any television anime (endless filler episodes, overall cheap production etc) but it had great music and the unapologetic and completely played straight machismo of the series is just tremendous. I never gave the second series a try though. The story didn't look like it had anywhere interesting to go after Raoh.
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Post by alphex on Jul 30, 2017 19:30:38 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the Hokuto No Ken movie from the 80s, since it has that awesome post apocalyptic setting, mind blowing over the topness and cheesy soundtrack wrapped up in 90 minutes. Watching it now is pretty much a postmodern trip, though, since it's basically impossible to take it serious, and unlike some western 80s cheese, Japan not being really into postmodernism TO THIS DAY, I really doubt it was overtly self-aware.
As far as that goes, I LOVE JoJo's, which is basically a tribute and parody of that very genre at the same time. Prefered the first four chapters over five and six, which is also when it all got way more serious (and also brutal... the Metallica fight in Vento Aureo is nightmare fodder).
As for Anime styles, I _LOVE_ the incredibly expensive looking 80s OVAs. 90s got a little cleaner, which sometimes fits (Ghost In The Shell), but usually looks less appealing to me.
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Post by toei on Jul 30, 2017 20:13:15 GMT -5
Man, I have fond memories of Fist of the North Star. I had a really boring night watchman job in 2009. Spent a whole summer at work watching the ENTIRE series of Fist of the North star for on Cruncyroll (or Funimation's website, I forget which one). It was free, subbed and had no commercials. The show was a complete slog and had the worst parts of any television anime (endless filler episodes, overall cheap production etc) but it had great music and the unapologetic and completely played straight machismo of the series is just tremendous. I never gave the second series a try though. The story didn't look like it had anywhere interesting to go after Raoh. Everything after Raoh only happened because they got a two-year contract renewal at Shonen Jump, and they had nothing left to say. There's a reason why subsequent movies, OVAs, videogames and even parodies almost never touch on that part of the story: it's garbage, and no one even thinks of it as cannon. I mean the bad guy is like, Raoh's twin or some bullshit. They even fuck up the mythology retroactively with all the nonsense they add. The final episode is nice, though. But yeah, again, the manga's a lot better than the anime. I've never seen that much filler in one series.
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Post by Snake on Jul 31, 2017 12:57:13 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the Hokuto No Ken movie from the 80s, since it has that awesome post apocalyptic setting, mind blowing over the topness and cheesy soundtrack wrapped up in 90 minutes. Watching it now is pretty much a postmodern trip, though, since it's basically impossible to take it serious, and unlike some western 80s cheese, Japan not being really into postmodernism TO THIS DAY, I really doubt it was overtly self-aware. As far as that goes, I LOVE JoJo's, which is basically a tribute and parody of that very genre at the same time. Prefered the first four chapters over five and six, which is also when it all got way more serious (and also brutal... the Metallica fight in Vento Aureo is nightmare fodder). As for Anime styles, I _LOVE_ the incredibly expensive looking 80s OVAs. 90s got a little cleaner, which sometimes fits (Ghost In The Shell), but usually looks less appealing to me. It's funny to hear of Jojo being a tribute to western 80's cheese. By the 3rd arc, Stardust Crusaders, the story was pretty much being written of as being in the present day of the mid to late 1980's, while Araki was still serialized in Weekly Shonen Jump. Just like how Deathnote and Gantz represent the present day during the time they were serialized. Whereas the trend today is moe-moe cutesy harem tsudere/yandere isekai storylines, back in the 1980's, there was more manly buff male characters, mafia, cyberpunk, and rival school/yankee gang thugs as a trend. It's always amusing to me that many of the characters and Stands in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure references some kind of musician or song for the time the manga was being drawn. www.dossieranddragon.com/2016/10/19/jojos-bizarre-adventure-and-musician-names-battle-tendency/
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Post by alphex on Jul 31, 2017 19:33:50 GMT -5
It's funny to hear of Jojo being a tribute to western 80's cheese. By the 3rd arc, Stardust Crusaders, the story was pretty much being written of as being in the present day of the mid to late 1980's, while Araki was still serialized in Weekly Shonen Jump. Just like how Deathnote and Gantz represent the present day during the time they were serialized. Whereas the trend today is moe-moe cutesy harem tsudere/yandere isekai storylines, back in the 1980's, there was more manly buff male characters, mafia, cyberpunk, and rival school/yankee gang thugs as a trend. It's always amusing to me that many of the characters and Stands in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure references some kind of musician or song for the time the manga was being drawn. www.dossieranddragon.com/2016/10/19/jojos-bizarre-adventure-and-musician-names-battle-tendency/I was talking about it being a tribute to stuff such as FOTNS, which is especially evident for part 1 IMO. Jonathan is basically Kenshiro, style-wise. And the characters weren't strictly named after musicians popular during that time - Tom Petty and AC/DC were already well established artists with more than a decade of music under their belt when they were referenced to in JoJo's. Plus the Sex Pistols were long broken up by the time Vento Aureo came around. Limp Bizkit and Wham!, on the other hand...
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Post by spanky on Aug 1, 2017 6:19:40 GMT -5
Everything after Raoh only happened because they got a two-year contract renewal at Shonen Jump, and they had nothing left to say. There's a reason why subsequent movies, OVAs, videogames and even parodies almost never touch on that part of the story: it's garbage, and no one even thinks of it as cannon. I mean the bad guy is like, Raoh's twin or some bullshit. They even fuck up the mythology retroactively with all the nonsense they add. The final episode is nice, though.
But yeah, again, the manga's a lot better than the anime. I've never seen that much filler in one series. Well how about that. Yeah, from the little I've seen, it doesn't have a ton to offer...Kenshiro can now throw Kamehamehas or something? And the new theme song isn't half as good.
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Post by edmonddantes on Aug 6, 2017 8:15:29 GMT -5
Getting back to Dragon Ball for a minute...
.... and this is gonna sound utterly silly...
...But am I the only person who actually gets DEPRESSED with how much the franchise has become, well, franchised out?
Mind you, I LOVE the original Manga and even own all the episodes of Z on DVD (albeit in untranslated Region 2 DVDs) and those original stories really do feel like they have a magic to them.
Just now though, I was reading about the newer crap... DB Super, and some game called DB Xenoverse.... and just... its weird because I know these kinds of thing have been going on since the franchise first began, but somehow I never really minded Plot to Destroy the Saiyans or Dragon Ball GT that much, but now all the new stuff just sounds stupid.
Just for example, there is now a new form of Super Saiyan, where their hair turns blue. Isn't this the kind of crap people used to joke about back in the days of the "Dragon Ball AF" joke? Apparently also in Xenoverse, Trunks now works in his timeline's own version of the Journeyman Project (and shame on you for not knowing what that is, you non-PC gamers in the audience!), and his boss, a goddess of time... is in love with Bardock. As in, Goku's dad, from that one television special.
I dunno, it may be just that I'm old and biased, but this all just reeks of "franchise been ruined."
I'll always love the original manga tho. And Cha-La Head Cha-La.
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