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Post by surnshurn on Dec 5, 2017 8:12:40 GMT -5
the old internet is going the way of the dodo. one of my favorite free game sites started requiring me to have java enabled in my browser to play any of the games on it. RIP
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Post by eatersthemanfool on Dec 7, 2017 22:58:30 GMT -5
I will always miss the old internet.
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Post by GamerL on Dec 7, 2017 23:03:25 GMT -5
I will always miss the old internet. Same, the internet was better when it was seen first and foremost as just a way to goof off and waste time. It becoming integrated with people's lives via social media and just integrated with the real world in general has sucked the fun right out of it, I mean look at the impact the internet has had on politics.
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Post by toei on Dec 14, 2017 15:53:22 GMT -5
I hate that everybody nowadays thinks they're businessmen. I proposed an idea for a indie game I wanted to work on with some friends and they kept talking about what sells, what gamers really want, what experience you want to provide to the end user and how what I wanted to do wasn't viable because it didn't fall into an existing niche. Keep in mind that neither of them has put a product for sale in their life, so why the hell are they trying to talk like marketing experts? Arguing that you have to give the consumer what it wants is arguing that 1. You can never come up with anything new, and 2. You actually know what consumers want. I can't begrudge their lack of interest in putting their own time into the project, but that business talk is bullshit. People watch too many Ted Talks and skim through too many bullshit articles.
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Post by The Great Klaid on Dec 14, 2017 16:29:48 GMT -5
I mean if you don't plan on selling the game, ignore them.
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Post by edmonddantes on Dec 15, 2017 11:24:14 GMT -5
Completely seconding that one. It's rather bizarre and depressing that modern mentality has become modeled after a bean-counter executive. It's not even true, either--The Minecraft guy got a lot of turn-downs for the exact same reasons and look how big his game is now. Marketing is basically a religion, no matter how much people want to disguise it as a science, but people like it because it gives the illusion that you can manufacture success and money (and, on the flip side of things, gives people who have neither success nor money a convenient "well I just don't want it that bad" or else "I want it but I can't have it" excuse for not actually trying--in other words it justifies laziness).
A modern trend I hate... people on forums (not talking about anyone on THIS forum) who become obsessed with you and stalk every topic you're involved in just to start a fight and tell you what a big evil meaniehead you are. Worse is how very often it turns out its not because of you yourself but because of a strawman/phantom they associate with you for some reason, like you've got your very own Thunderfoot.
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Post by toei on Dec 16, 2017 12:14:55 GMT -5
I mean if you don't plan on selling the game, ignore them. Of course, but I do see it as a trend - you talk to people who aren't and have never been in business and they throw all these marketing buzzwords around like they know all about getting rich. I mean, these guys have been making their own games as a hobby for year and never put any for sale (or even finished most of them), yet they talk like they never even thought of making a game they themselves would like to play. It's all "the trend right now is this", "we should use this new technology to tap into this or that audience", etc... I'm not against selling my game if it turns out good, but whatever it sells, it sells.
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Post by GamerL on Dec 16, 2017 16:50:00 GMT -5
the old internet is going the way of the dodo. one of my favorite free game sites started requiring me to have java enabled in my browser to play any of the games on it. RIP I'm always worried about YTMND going kaput. YTMND was the first "web culture" site I really got into and even though the community has basically long been dead with no current YTMNDs worth looking at, it's still fun to revisit old YTMNDs and even all these years later I'm still discovering old ones I've never seen before by searching random things, there were literally thousands upon thousands of them created in the years 2005 and 2006 alone. Hopefully even if the site disables the ability to create new ones an archive will be created of all the old ones, it's an important part of web history even if it's been unfairly forgotten and it's sad how there's never been another website like it. So I guess that's a trend of today I dislike, the fun and creativity of the internet in the 00s has mostly fallen by the wayside.
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Post by edmonddantes on Dec 16, 2017 17:06:53 GMT -5
The creativity of the internet is something I missed for a long time. I remember first noticing how things like personal fansites were being replaced by dry, boring wikis about five years ago, and its only been getting worse since.
While in some ways the modern internet is better, I still sometimes long for the days when I could search for, say, "Doom" or "Final Fantasy" and get a whole directory of sites on Yahoo, each with their own personality, instead of just a Wiki and a Tropes page, and maybe one really-big fansite if I'm lucky.
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Post by GamerL on Dec 16, 2017 17:15:46 GMT -5
I don't mind wikis so much, but I see what you mean, the creatively of old fansites was nice.
Seems like the internet has mostly solidified into Facebook, Twitter, Netflix, Amazon, the big ones like that and a million different clickbait sites, I literally can't think of a single popular "humor" website anymore that's not first and foremost about pushing political agendas before simply making you laugh (remember Cracked? perfect example of that)
The last decent thing about the modern web, Youtube, also seems in danger of going into the toilet as Youtube's been demonetizing people's videos seemingly at random, as if Google is purposely trying to ruin the site, if people can't consistently make money from their videos, say goodbye to all the high quality content that's been on the site lately.
But yeah, the modern web fucking sucks, man and I predict with the death of net neutrality it's probably only going to get worse.
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Post by edmonddantes on Dec 17, 2017 11:32:01 GMT -5
On that note here's one trend I hate: "EVERYTHING is about politics."
While I like democracy this is quickly becoming the single worst thing about it, how everyone is galvanized and you can't even suggest, say, building a bridge to cross a river without someone saying you're supporting Leftist or Rightist or Uppist or Downist propaganda. This makes even casual subjects touchy--I remember once mentioning that I was gonna attempt to read the Bible cover to cover for funzies, and freaking immediately people were all going on about religious conservatives.
Honestly, sometimes I think you should need a license to discuss politics, and getting that license should require you to take a test.
Possibly the worst, sadly to say, is when everything becomes about sexism or racism. Seriously met a woman once who claimed Sailor Moon was oppressive... because she had a boyfriend.
I hope this doesn't open a can of worms.
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Post by jackcaeylin on Dec 17, 2017 12:06:10 GMT -5
On that note here's one trend I hate: "EVERYTHING is about politics." While I like democracy this is quickly becoming the single worst thing about it, how everyone is galvanized and you can't even suggest, say, building a bridge to cross a river without someone saying you're supporting Leftist or Rightist or Uppist or Downist propaganda. This makes even casual subjects touchy--I remember once mentioning that I was gonna attempt to read the Bible cover to cover for funzies, and freaking immediately people were all going on about religious conservatives. Honestly, sometimes I think you should need a license to discuss politics, and getting that license should require you to take a test. Possibly the worst, sadly to say, is when everything becomes about sexism or racism. Seriously met a woman once who claimed Sailor Moon was oppressive... because she had a boyfriend. I hope this doesn't open a can of worms. Amen, Yeah, I totally agree. When I look at twitter..... Everyone is speaking about politics. It is really annoying. I bet they only do that, because they have the PC-Screen as "protection". Their problem is not their interest in politcs, but lots of them don't know what they speak about it, especially since "left and "right" is different in countries. In some countries, "the right party" is pro gun control. These kind of people don't make sense. Lots of people don't really talk about the political decision of a party, they talk mostly about behaviour of the politician. It is basically celebrity gossip. on a different note: I don't know if this is a recent trend, but memes. I don't know how memes happened and who created it, but it reached a state of eternal annoyance. Basically everything in the world is a meme. It is like, you take a picture and add the word "pudding", that is your meme. It is really annoying. Well, I am not really keen of the loser culture around the web. screaming autistic and all the idiotic stuff. Yours sincerely Jack Caeylin
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Post by acidonia on Dec 17, 2017 14:39:12 GMT -5
YTMND's just like YTP'S are going nowhere. It's just that alot of the creators from years back just got bored of making or take ages to create new ones or no longer have the time to. That and pretty much everyone who makes that kind of content makes no money off it anyway and if they did it be from other sites not Youtube itself.
New ones are created every day it is just Youtube just hides them in searches and makes them hard to find which it does for every non big subbed channel no matter what content it is.
The Channel Behind the meme just killed any youtube jokes or slowed them down just by doing videos of them which that channel was making money off them.
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Post by Catalyst on Dec 17, 2017 15:48:13 GMT -5
I work at a school and nothing kills memes faster than children. I mean jfc, I'm still hearing "What're those!?" I hear 3-5 year old memes repeated around 20 times a day, in the decibel ranges that really weren't meant for adult human ears. I'm pretty sure I like seeing memes alot more than hearing them now.
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Post by GamerL on Dec 17, 2017 16:23:18 GMT -5
YTMND's just like YTP'S are going nowhere. It's just that alot of the creators from years back just got bored of making or take ages to create new ones or no longer have the time to. That and pretty much everyone who makes that kind of content makes no money off it anyway and if they did it be from other sites not Youtube itself. New ones are created every day it is just Youtube just hides them in searches and makes them hard to find which it does for every non big subbed channel no matter what content it is. The Channel Behind the meme just killed any youtube jokes or slowed them down just by doing videos of them which that channel was making money off them. The last few times I tried clicking on new YTMNDs it seemed like every single one had unbearably loud sound and were utterly incomprehensible, it really blows my mind that people are still making them at all but it must be like less than a dozen people only making them to amuse themselves. YTP is another thing I miss but checking some of the famous channels recently I see some of them are still doing stuff and very high quality at that, but it seems like it just doesn't get the attention it used to, however like you said there's usually big gaps between videos. But all that stuff takes real creativity and effort to be good at, so I guess that's why it fell by the wayside in popularity in web culture.
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