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Post by ZenithianHero on Mar 18, 2018 10:23:01 GMT -5
I always thought Fox Kids cartoons have a lower cult rating of the programming blocks, compared to the Disney, WB, Nick and Cartoon Network stuff. People probably remember the X-Men, Tick and Carmen Sandiego cartoons but I used to love watching Bobby's World.
I also liked Sheep in Big City on Cartoon Network. Anybody here watched that? Newer stuff, We Bare Bears seems to be lower on the tier for Cartoon Network. Cannot market it like Steven Universe or Adventure Time for example.
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Post by kaoru on Mar 18, 2018 11:11:45 GMT -5
including the 1998 Godzilla animated that is still the best animated Godzilla out there. I just recently bought the complete series (it can be found for six bucks at Dollar General here in the USA) and I was shocked at how good it is, though I find it a little uneven... the paranormal investigation aspect is fun but I find the monster fights a little lackluster. That's one place at least where the old Hanna-Barbara version has the upper hand. Too bad the HB cartoon never finished its DVD releases... I think the 1998 Godzilla is decent but not spectacular as far as the monster of the day episodes go. Once again, there is one above the crop arc in there that spans several episodes. It is a 4-part one about an alien invasion and several monsters duking it out that could more or less be beat for beat one of the Japanese Godzilla movies. I really don't like the drawing style of these cartoons, tho. They are so ugly.
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Post by acidonia on Mar 18, 2018 11:50:34 GMT -5
A show that needs more notice than it gets is Round the Bend that not fully a cartoon but is pretty much a late 80's Robot Chickenwhich is still funny today and only ever had 18 Episodes made. At least the creator of it uploaded it all online but one Episode he lost a few minutes of the footage of. But I have that lost footage on VHS so should someday upload it somewhere. www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7G6cVSP5QY. Another stop motion show that no one outside UK remember is The Trap Door which had great stop motion animation. Or Alfred J. Kwak that was probably to Dark and Adult for US that and one of the villains is a bird called Dolf who looked like a certain German person.
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Post by edmonddantes on Mar 18, 2018 11:55:36 GMT -5
I think the main thing I didn't like about Godzilla 1998 was the music. The opening sequence works but during the episodes its one of the things that makes the action dull.
So in a Skype chat I remembered another cartoon I wanted to talk about.
101 Dalmations the Series was a cartoon I... used to watch, but honestly I can't say if it was very good (I think I just watched because Cadpig was one of the most adorable animated dogs ever) but there's one episode that sticks out in my head.
This episode in question was where the puppies are watching a Thunderbolt (sort of a crime-fighting dog) cartoon on TV, but the power goes out. So the kids start making up their own stories about how the episode is gonna go. Then the power comes back on and they find out how the episode really went, and wound up feeling like their imagination was better than the reality.
I keep remembering this because, while I don't think this is the intended message, it feels to me like it resonates more and more because of how many canons of various stories have gone in lame or stupid directions, and how sometimes the worst thing writers do is provide explanations.
To use a video game example, I personally feel that Metal Gear Solid 4 kinda ruined MGS2 (Which I do unironically like) by revealing de facto that the events of MGS2 were reality, when the original game left it up to personal intepretation. Also I honestly don't care for the direction they went with Raiden.
In terms of animation, one cartoon I've got mixed feelings on is the 2003 reboot of He-Man, which is also a perfect example of what I mean: in a way, He-Man and Skeletor's conflict was more interesting when we DIDN'T know the backstory of it--the viewer was left to use their imagination, and come up with their own take on things, and in a lot of cases what the fans come up with is stuff you WISH was canon, when the actual canon winds up being really, really boring.
(True story: I once attempted to write my own version of the Star Wars prequels... in my version Anakin isn't introduced until the third movie, and is already an adult, and isn't the main character, so it could be done in a way where him becoming Vader and having kids is still a surprising reveal in the fifth movie)
So.. yeah, 101 Dalmations isn't really an underrated cartoon (IIRC, anyway) but it had an episode that I never forgot because it seems to perfectly portray a situation I keep seeing again and again.
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Post by Woody Alien on Mar 20, 2018 6:50:37 GMT -5
Another stop motion show that no one outside UK remember is The Trap Door which had great stop motion animation. Or Alfred J. Kwak that was probably to Dark and Adult for US that and one of the villains is a bird called Dolf who looked like a certain German person. I'm from Italy and I remember both Saw Alfred when I was very young and I think it's one of the few cartoons with a message done right, i.e. not boring and preachy, despite all the episodes about racism, pollution, inequality, apartheid etc. I guess that the Dutch are more adept at handling this kind of stuff. As for Trap Door, I saw it when I was a monster-obsessed kid and liked it ever since. I managed to see it (even the very rare dubbed version) because there was a broadcast on a local channel that was all about cartoons and kids' programs, however they were adamant in not showing either mainstream American toons or Japanese anime (at least at first), so they showed every kind of obscure stuff from around the world. There was quite a few Czech/Eastern European weird incomprehensible crap, but also several nice British series like Trap Door.
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Post by kaoru on Mar 20, 2018 7:32:21 GMT -5
Alfred J. Kwak was at least really big here in Germany. Everyone my generation watched it and it ran on kids TV on and off for decades.
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Post by edmonddantes on Mar 30, 2018 15:22:57 GMT -5
Okay, GI Joe doesn't really count as underappreciated, but...
I've always wondered why, of all the licensed games based on it, nobody ever thought to interpret GI Joe as a Shining Force-esque game? Seriously, the match is so perfect that it baffles me there hasn't at least been a fan game with that premise.
The closest we get is the original Command & Conquer, but that's not quite the same.
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Post by ResidentTsundere on Mar 30, 2018 16:57:42 GMT -5
The Tick <3
Does the 2011 Thundercats reboot count?
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Post by Amelia on Mar 30, 2018 17:41:10 GMT -5
The Tick is a great choice. Has anyone seen the 2016 live-action series?
Eek the Cat is another good Fox Kids cartoon you don't hear about much anymore.
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Post by edmonddantes on Mar 31, 2018 1:27:36 GMT -5
Wait, there's a 2016 live-action Tick? I know there's a live-action one from like the early 2000s but 2016?
Thundercats reboot counts as underrated just due to how short-lasting it was. I personally wasn't a huge fan but I could see it had potential.
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Post by Amelia on Mar 31, 2018 10:45:25 GMT -5
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Post by magic89 on Mar 31, 2018 22:20:35 GMT -5
How about Chuck Norris cartoon? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karate_KommandosIve watched all EPs on VHS type as kid i tottaly loved. But my favorite part are real life segments with Chuck Norris himself.
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Post by edmonddantes on Apr 1, 2018 1:57:31 GMT -5
Are the live segments still on the DVD release? I actually don't think I ever saw more than a few moments of Chuck Norris Karate Kommandos. Main thing I recall is this one villain saying "Norris" in a way I found hilarious.
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Post by jorpho on Apr 1, 2018 9:08:55 GMT -5
I don't suppose anyone's ever heard of this thing called Delta State? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_State_(TV_series)One of the DVDs turned up at the dollar store the other day. It can't be that bad if there was enough money in the budget for all that rotoscoping, I would think.
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Post by Sac (a.k.a Icaras) on Apr 1, 2018 10:44:23 GMT -5
I'd go with the Battletech cartoon. Not only did it have a great universe to draw on, but the main theme of the show was giant robots fighting...but on top of that what really made it stand out for me was that it was serialized. Now granted this may not seem like much now (Where we get plenty of anime that's also serialized), but back in the 90s, that kind of thing was rare, most cartoons, at least the action based boys ones (Which was the kind of thing that did and still does appeal me) tended to be like He-Man or like Star Trek, where each episode is self contained one and done. The only other cartoon I can think of that was serialized like that back in those days was Robotech (Which also stood out for much the same reasons. There was also Teknoman/Tekkaman Blade, but sadly, I never got to see that at the time), so just having a story that built week to week really made you look forwad to the show that much more (Funnily enough the main characters do achieve their goal at the end, but because of a cliffhanger for a 2nd season that never came, it ends up a pyyric victory ) I remember becoming really interested in the battletech universe because of the cartoon, tho I never had access to much content. I had battletech 1 on the C64 (Pirated mind, so no manual) and battletech 2 for the PC (legit, but as it was part of a cheap-o compilation, only some of the manual was included. It did have some background info, but was also obvious half the manual and background info was left out). Other than that I had a few battletech novels I was able to get...from either a school or just the main library, I forget which. Funnily enough, thanks to the rise of the wiki, I discovered that the cartoons main character was introduced into proper battletech cannon and rose to become an important leader. This was pleasing. Less pleasing was that the cartoon was considered a "fictional" account of his actions in the battletech universe itself, but I never could really find any reference to the events of the show to getting a proper conclusion. Disappointing
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