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Post by phediuk on Oct 1, 2018 8:22:20 GMT -5
The first Earthworm Jim probably counts. I never saw anyone preferring the second game over it. Does the first Gex count? And while we're at it, do two games make a series in this case? Brave Fencer Musashi, Bushido Blade, ActRaiser are still fondly remembered compared to their sequels. Chrono Cross got some flack back in the day for not being a straight sequel for Trigger. People have since mellowed out on it, but Chrono Trigger is still the most popular. The first Final Fantasy Tactics and its remake, and on a similar vein the first Tactics Ogre (If we're lumping the games from both Ogre sub-series). Star Ocean: The Second Story is probably the most popular in the series owing to the first game being somewhat obscure until the localized PSP remake and the problems the 3rd and 4th games had. The 5th game seems to have come and gone and nobody seems to care enough to bring it up. What's the consensus on car combat games? Twisted Metal 2 & the first Vigilante 8 seem to have been the peak of the genre back in the PS1 days but then that died out after the mediocre 989 TM sequels and even the well reviewed Twisted Metal Black didn't reignite the franchise that much. We had a whole thing about how Suikoden 1 is actually better than 2 a while back. Which it is. Where is this discussion? Unless the search function is broken or you guys were using shorthand for Suikoden I couldn't find anything here as far back as 2016.
The Gex nostalgia I've seen has mostly been directed at the N64 version of 2.
Twisted Metal 2 is probably the most popular in its series, but Black comes close and, frankly, I think it's by far the best one.
I would say Ogre Battle 64 is the most well-known entry in the Ogre series, largely because N64 owners had nothing else like it to play.
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Post by kaoru on Oct 1, 2018 8:53:48 GMT -5
Where is this discussion? Unless the search function is broken or you guys were using shorthand for Suikoden I couldn't find anything here as far back as 2016. IIRC it was just a quick back and forth of me stating the undeniable objective factual truth that Suikden II is the best RPG on the original PlayStation, and toei making sure to mention he's the only person on the entire planet that prefers Suikden I over II
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Post by dsparil on Oct 1, 2018 8:58:04 GMT -5
Leisure Suit Larry 1 gets all the attention possibly due to being very heavily pirated although 7 is very clearly the actual best one.
Is it safe to say Street Fighter II regardless of specific version?
All the Myst games are good, but the original is the one that gets all the remakes.
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Post by phediuk on Oct 1, 2018 9:06:21 GMT -5
Leisure Suit Larry 1 gets all the attention possibly due to being very heavily pirated although 7 is very clearly the actual best one. Is it safe to say Street Fighter II regardless of specific version? All the Myst games are good, but the original is the one that gets all the remakes. Street Fighter, no. Third Strike eclipsed 2 long ago competitively and 4 was a huge hit. 2 was an even bigger hit in its day, yes, but it is hardly the only one people talk about. As for Myst, Riven was also a big hit and is often considered the peak of the series.
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Post by toei on Oct 1, 2018 9:18:50 GMT -5
Where is this discussion? Unless the search function is broken or you guys were using shorthand for Suikoden I couldn't find anything here as far back as 2016. IIRC it was just a quick back and forth of me stating the undeniable objective factual truth that Suikden II is the best RPG on the original PlayStation, and toei making sure to mention he's the only person on the entire planet that prefers Suikden I over II It wasn't its own thread, basically, but a few people joined in, and I wasn't alone in saying S1 was better. I used to think it was just me, but I've been encountering more and more people saying the same (a brief discussion came up about the same thing shortly after on another forum). Suikoden 1 has a very swift pace (the dungeons are especially nice because of that) and manages to concentrate the entire appeal of the series in a much tighter package, while S2 is more bloated with filler. Bushido Blade 2 is also better than the first, with a more logical and balanced system, but the first has something the second doesn't (handicapping legs), so they're both worth playing. SoR 1 has tighter and more challenging gameplay than 2, plus a nearly equally great soundtrack, while 3 is faster and has more depth, with a Special Move gauge that lets you use those moves without taking damage, running for every character, and an evasive roll that makes boss battles more interesting. On the other hand, it has one really bad level (the interminable rails section) and weaker music (that isn't actually that bad). There isn't actually a clearly superior game in the series. I'd also argue that in a lot of cases, the consensus is just a self-perpetuating myth. A few people say something, then everybody thinks that's the consensus and repeats it without personal knowledge of the games, or even puts aside their own feelings on the matter. Then if people want to play a game in the series, they'll just play the one people talk about, further isolating it from the rest of the series. There are definitely cases where just one game in a series is good and the rest are trash, but at least half the examples in this thread so far are debatable.
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Post by kingmike on Oct 1, 2018 9:40:09 GMT -5
Steel Battalion -- Everyone remembers the first game and its massive controller. No one remembers its sequel, which came without that controller, or its second sequel, which replaced the controller with the Kinect. One of those was the CAPCPOM game? That's as much as I know about the series.
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Post by kaoru on Oct 1, 2018 13:25:40 GMT -5
It wasn't its own thread, basically, but a few people joined in, and I wasn't alone in saying S1 was better. Ah ok, I must either have stopped following that thread before the real conversation began then... or subconsciously rid my mind of so much wrongthink. Well, this thread isn't about "franchises with only one good entry" but about "where one is way better regarded than the others", which doesn't imply quality or lack thereof for any of the games. Like that apparent fan thinking that Seiken Densetsu 3 is the best, when it is actually one of the worst of its franchise. Or Project Zero, where every game is way too much the same to have a clear pinacle one, give or take personal preferences like 3 and on feeling somewhat bloated with all the different playable characters, or 5 being less worried to creep you out instead of shoving ghost boob in your face - yet still the conversation is usually all about 2.
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Post by toei on Oct 1, 2018 13:35:03 GMT -5
kaoru Re: the purpose of the thread - True, fair enough. It's also true that I never hear about Legend of Mana, though FF Adventure and Secret of Mana do get pretty frequent mentions. And somebody brought up Chrono, and forgot Radical Dreamers entirely - if Chrono Cross is a disappointing "sequel" (it is, though it's a decent game), then RD is a forgotten footnote to most. Re: Suikoden - I think Snake also preferred 1 over 2, though I don't know if he said that in the same thread, and probably some others? And Exhuminator over on the hardcoreretrogaming forum.
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Post by dsparil on Oct 1, 2018 13:57:59 GMT -5
Leisure Suit Larry 1 gets all the attention possibly due to being very heavily pirated although 7 is very clearly the actual best one. Is it safe to say Street Fighter II regardless of specific version? All the Myst games are good, but the original is the one that gets all the remakes. Street Fighter, no. Third Strike eclipsed 2 long ago competitively and 4 was a huge hit. 2 was an even bigger hit in its day, yes, but it is hardly the only one people talk about. As for Myst, Riven was also a big hit and is often considered the peak of the series. SFII is far and away the most popular historically in a way that is completely untouchable by any entry afterward. It brought in over $10.5 billion in coin-op revenue and game sales. In absolute terms the others are no joke, but the money spent on SFII is the equivalent of 177 million copies at $60 each. With Myst, I was mainly thinking in terms of remakes since they're still getting put out on a regular basis. I like Riven myself, but it's an example of bigger not always being better. Some of the puzzles are exceptionally obtuse; the marble one comes to mind. The original is very compact and to the point.
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Post by ZenithianHero on Oct 1, 2018 15:04:01 GMT -5
Space Invaders fits well. None of the games after the original have achieved even a tenth of its notoriety, and there isn't really a diehard Space Invaders fanbase rooting for another entry either. Extreme 1 and 2 on DS/PSP. Those two are fantastic games. I wonder if they would be better known if they were console games instead like Pac-Man Championship Edition series was.
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Post by shelverton on Oct 1, 2018 16:23:10 GMT -5
What about DMC3? I’m personally not sure I agree with it being the best, but most people seem to think that 2 is flat out bad, that 4 is a step down from 3, and that the DmC reboot should never have been. Not a lot of people talk about the very first game anymore but I’m pretty sure they don’t think it tops DMC3?
It often seems like there are very few fans of DMC as a franchise, just fans of DMC3 tbh....
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Post by toei on Oct 1, 2018 16:35:50 GMT -5
dsparil SF2 is much more important historically than any other game in the series (money aside, let's not forget that it defined the genre), but not necessarily better-regarded.
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Post by Snake on Oct 1, 2018 17:11:49 GMT -5
kaoru Re: the purpose of the thread - True, fair enough. It's also true that I never hear about Legend of Mana, though FF Adventure and Secret of Mana do get pretty frequent mentions. And somebody brought up Chrono, and forgot Radical Dreamers entirely - if Chrono Cross is a disappointing "sequel" (it is, though it's a decent game), then RD is a forgotten footnote to most. Re: Suikoden - I think Snake also preferred 1 over 2, though I don't know if he said that in the same thread, and probably some others? And Exhuminator over on the hardcoreretrogaming forum. Suikoden 1 is definitely my favorite, for reasons similar stated for kaoru. Part 1 is very succinct; far less fetch quests in Suikoden 2. Not that part 2 is bad, it just does get pretty long, and you most certainly need some kind of guide to be completionist. Some of the conditions for gathering characters can be kinda out there, making for quantity time rather than quality time. Suikoden 1 is very doable without referring to any kind of FAQ or strategy guide, and much easier to replay. Radical Dreamers could use some modern access via Switch Virtual Console or 3DS download. One of these, days, Square-Enix will have to make a 30th anniversary Super Ultra HD 8K remaster Complete pack-in, with Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross. Radical Dreamers felt kind of creepy and foreboding for a text digital novel. Front Mission 1 and Parasite Eve 1 stand out for me respectively in their series. Zelda:Ocarina of Time seems to get the most fanfare of the Zelda series; but for me, it would be a toss up between A Link to the Past and Breath of the Wild. Demon's Crest most certainly is the pinnacle of the Gargoyle's Quest games. For Castlevania games, I think the regard would be split between the styles of Castlevania 3 and Dracula X:Rondo of Blood, and of course, Castlevania:Symphony of the Night. Although, any surprise that Symphony of the Night exists because it was inspired by Castlevania 3 and was made as a sequel to Rondo of Blood?
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Post by Woody Alien on Oct 1, 2018 17:42:43 GMT -5
Space Invaders fits well. None of the games after the original have achieved even a tenth of its notoriety, and there isn't really a diehard Space Invaders fanbase rooting for another entry either. Speaking of the golden age of arcades, nobody remembers Dig Dug II. Same for the sequels to BurgerTime. And very few people care about the direct sequels of the original Donkey Kong. (Donkey Kong Country is another continuity)
For more recent stuff, MediEvil 2 was never ported while the first one was, multiple times, and also received a remake. (though it makes sense that people associate MediEvil with the first one, since 2 is not set in medieval times...)
Nobody ever cared that much for Final Fight 2 & 3. And as I say in the article, people still remember the first Prehistorik despite it being a fairly boring and mediocre game, while overlooking the direct sequel and especially the well above average Prehistorik Man. Also, RayForce for the RAY series.
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Post by edmonddantes on Oct 2, 2018 2:10:10 GMT -5
Landstalker -- The original is the only one as far as pretty much everyone is concerned. No one cares about Ladystalker or Timestalkers. Wait... those were actual sequels? I always thought those were just games with coincidentally similar names.
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