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Post by edmonddantes on Apr 23, 2019 4:18:29 GMT -5
Okay, so I decided this needed its own topic so it would quit hijacking the "best moments in life" thread. So let's get this out of our systems, hurry up and get it locked, and then go on and play video games or whatever. One question: Seriously, whatever happened to the concept of "Godwin's Law?" You know, the one where mentioning Nazis (in a topic that has no reason to involve them) automatically made you wrong? Seems like that law got repealed. EDIT Adding this passage from a later post here because I doubt Kurt will read the whole thread: Frankly, if I had my way, no politics would be allowed at all and the only context you could mention "Nazis" in would be things like Wolfenstein 3D or Indiana Jones and if you wanna accuse still-living people of it and say we should assault them, there's a Reddit for that. Maybe Kurt will finally make it a rule after he sees this topic? ("Pedophile" should be not-allowed too, BTW) From the "Moments in Life" thread: What, really, was the point in bringing politics into a thread that had literally nothing to do with it? To show everyone you're anti-Nazi? Really bold stance there, Kaoru, I'm impressed, wanna cookie? Because it wass a pretty sweet moment in life But it's very telling, and knowing both your posting histories honestlty not very surprising, that you and edmonddantes are reacting so strongly to a flippant one-liner in a non-serious thread. You see? Burden of Proof has gone completely out the window. That's my problem with "Nazi punching"--you don't have an objective metric to measure whether someone is a "Nazi" or not. Its just "they argued with me, that's all the proof I need." Like people who think the country is being run by reptile men.
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Post by kaoru on Apr 23, 2019 5:07:07 GMT -5
I disagree. There doesn't really need to be a thread about this. And it never had to hijack the other one. You wanted sweet moments. I gave one. Assuming an actual Nazi getting punched be just fine to mention. But you had to "actually" that, you made it a deal. And I honestly still don't know why. I didn't even mention anyone specifically. You could've just let it stand that way and move on. It is not very disagreeable that actual white supremists advocacting for final solution Nazis are not good people. Or at least I hope we can all agree on that. Where is this "burden of proof" and "everyone that disagress is a Nazi" nonsense coming from? How does it relate to my sentence about actual Nazis getting punched being good? I don't see it and honestly I'd rather not talk about this topic anymore, I'm still baffled it became a deal in the first place. That's all I have to say about this, have a good day everyone.
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Post by edmonddantes on Apr 23, 2019 5:36:04 GMT -5
Gotta love your revisionist history.
First, I didn't immediately respond to you--there were quite a few posts continuing on the Nazi-punching train before I said anything--including your coment about them "whining about not being willing to engage in a bad-faith debate with you" (which can't even be defended as being a sweet moment), and all I said was this:
Yeah, I really sound like I'm having a bad reaction, there. In follow-ups, all I did was try to get the thread back on topic.
It's telling that your response to the above deleted everything after the question mark and opted for flippancy instead of addressing my main concern--which you're still refusing to do.
Anyway, you see a post about sweet moments and you decide yours is gonna be acts of unprovoked real-life violence. That... really, what more needs to be said?
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Post by Échalote on Apr 23, 2019 6:06:11 GMT -5
so punching nazis is bad ?
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Post by edmonddantes on Apr 23, 2019 6:18:12 GMT -5
so punching nazis is bad ? 1. First, how do you know if someone is a Nazi? Are you a mind-reader? 2. Dunno where you live, but in most US states attacking someone--Nazi or not--is considered Assault and Battery. The way around this is to let them throw the first punch, at which point most states allow you to claim self-defense. [Edit: The administration has asked me to clarify that I am not a lawyer so take any legal advice I give with a grain of salt. Always check with actual lawyers before you do anything risky] 3. Not sure why I'm worrying as all this talk about "Nazi Punching" is likely just people being Internet Tough Guys--IE if they met an actual Nazi they wouldn't have the guts to punch them.
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Post by 🧀Son of Suzy Creamcheese🧀 on Apr 23, 2019 6:49:52 GMT -5
You 100% don't get the point of the phrase 'punching a nazi' and this 1000% doesn't have to be a thread.
We're on a video game forum, which is a dying breed of community. Do we really want to spend our time talking about this kind of bullshit? Let's just talk about video games, alright?
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Post by edmonddantes on Apr 23, 2019 8:08:19 GMT -5
You 100% don't get the point of the phrase 'punching a nazi' and this 1000% doesn't have to be a thread. We're on a video game forum, which is a dying breed of community. Do we really want to spend our time talking about this kind of bullshit? Let's just talk about video games, alright? Just wanna point out: The MAJORITY of my activity here is actually about video games. I barely ever post in the Off-Topic section--and most of my topics here are about fun/nerdy things like being a creator or old anime. And apparently this did need to be a topic because certain people kept bringing it up in another topic where it was made clear that such talk wasn't welcome.. and the person who brought it up made it clear he would continue to do so despite the wishes of most others. Frankly, if I had my way, no politics would be allowed at all and the only context you could mention "Nazis" in would be things like Wolfenstein 3D or Indiana Jones and if you wanna accuse still-living people of it and say we should assault them, there's a Reddit for that. Maybe Kurt will finally make it a rule after he sees this topic?
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Post by kaoru on Apr 23, 2019 8:14:44 GMT -5
And apparently this did need to be a topic because certain people kept bringing it up in another topic where it was made clear that such talk wasn't welcome.. and the person who brought it up made it clear he would continue to do so despite the wishes of most others. The topic was Pretty much over and done with by Windfish's cool comment about how he once met a reformed Nazi. After which you had to add something, so I replied once more. And it could have been over there again. But then Gamergriff had to respons to it too. Do not pin this on me.
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Post by edmonddantes on Apr 23, 2019 8:35:29 GMT -5
kaoru Fair enough, I'll let Griff continue the "who gets the blame?" discussion if he feels up to it/if he gets here before the topic is locked. I still have two questions. 1) As I keep asking, how do you decide when someone is a Nazi? I would be fine even with "you can find a non-ironic, non-joke, unambiguous statement from them where they suppose racial cleansing and completely realize what they're saying" but nobody has even been willing to set THAT much of a standard. 2) I'm kinda curious what "posting history" either myself or Griff had which make our reaction "not surprising." This isn't over all those silly posts about wishing demigod superheroes were real, is it?
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Post by kaoru on Apr 23, 2019 8:44:29 GMT -5
Your definition is right there, in the second post of this thread: It is not very disagreeable that actual white supremists advocacting for final solution Nazis are not good people. It still baffles me that me liking a Nazi getting punched makes you immediately go to "but what is a Nazi?" instead of assuming that this hypothetical person definitely would have looked, acted, and quacked like one. Those types of posts are the ones I mentioned should not surprise me, though. Can this be the end of this, now?
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Post by edmonddantes on Apr 23, 2019 9:22:31 GMT -5
Let's call it a case of unclear wording.
If you had said "the fact that the Nazis lost World War II"... no problem there. There is no defending the historical Nazis.
But as it was, well, you just said "a Nazi." I had no context for that.
This could possibly be a cultural difference, like the lawsuit-vs-murder debate was... so to explain briefly, lately there has been a problem of people just assuming others are Nazis over trivial things. Google "Nazi Haircut" for example.
That in mind, its no wonder that some people see "its okay to punch Nazis" as "its okay to punch people for having haircuts, accents, etc. that you subjectively interpret as signs of Nazi-ism." Accusations of "Nazi" are thrown around basically like candy these days, and it has indeed resulted in real-world violence.
Plus, well... its a guy coming in and saying his awesome moment is seeing a flesh-and-blood person get violently assaulted. I'm sure I don't have to explain how that is off-putting. Right now I can't think of any cases where real-life violence should be enjoyable.
By contrast I had no problem with Windfisch's story (tho I did initially miss it amidst all the Nazi talk) because it was more about personal courage and less rah-rah machismo. Personal courage is awesome.
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Post by 🧀Son of Suzy Creamcheese🧀 on Apr 23, 2019 10:21:58 GMT -5
Asking "how do you know if they're a nazi?" or pointing out Kaoru is talking about 'flesh-and-blood persons' is the same as hearing 'black lives matter' and replying "all lives matter".
It's not the fucking point, and it makes you look bad. And that it's your first reaction (as opposed to nazis = bad, so punching them = good) is problematic.
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Post by Weasel on Apr 23, 2019 10:26:55 GMT -5
One question: Seriously, whatever happened to the concept of "Godwin's Law?" You know, the one where mentioning Nazis (in a topic that has no reason to involve them) automatically made you wrong? Seems like that law got repealed. Godwin himself suspended it: Beyond that, though, I really feel like your entire side of this argument is in bad faith. From what I'm seeing, it feels as if you're not here to earnestly debate, you're here to contradict and attack. That ain't cool. I see it a lot in your other threads as well (and your tendency to abruptly change the subject when someone has any pointed reply). Therefore, I'd like to warn you, discussions like these bring out the worst and I'm closing this one. Do not start another.
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