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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 9:59:39 GMT -5
I think it'a mainly timely movie tie-ins that give licensed games a bad name since they're usually done so quickly and cheaply. There are of course exceptions like the console version of Spider-man 2; for some reason the PC one is a different game and not good. The Traveller's Tales Lego games are fairly uniform in quality. The Star Wars ones are still my favorites. The Force Awakens has some great Star Fox style vehicle sections, and the upcoming one that covers the 9 main movies looks like it's making some substantial changes to the formula. Lego Jurassic World was pretty good since it covered the earlier movies too and lets you play as a dinosaur. Lego City Undercover is a good GTA clone with a crazy final level. That one might actually be the best since it gives you a fully developed city instead of a beefed up hub. The Lego games even have two licenses to do justice at once so that's even more impressive. kaoru and also the Capcom D&D fighters I guess? ommadawnyawn2 - yeah that's exactly what I meant about Spider-Man 2, my memory was a bit vague to go into specifics. Weird that after that success the Spiderman games messed around with different ideas so much under Activision.
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Post by ommadawnyawn2 on Sept 17, 2020 10:33:57 GMT -5
I'm basically a newcomer to the SM franchise besides some of the 16-bit games, I'd heard this one was among the best after the recent Marvel one, which seems to base its web swinging on SM2 2004. Will probably play Ultimate and Shattered Dimensions next if not the PS1 games so it'll be interesting to see the different takes.
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Post by toei on Sept 17, 2020 11:46:28 GMT -5
I know Konami's TMNT games are kind of a mixed bag in regards to overall quality, but they are beloved for a reason. The SNES port of Turtles in Time is really excellent and you could probably make a pretty strong case for it being the best beat-em up on the SNES. The SNES version of Tournament Fighters is a great fighting game as well. Definitely the best licensed fighter on the system and probably the best one not based on an existing arcade game? The developers wisely just pretty much ripped off the "feel" of Street Fighter II and tacked on some extras like those crazy super moves and it works out great! SNES and Genesis-exclusive fighters are mostly mediocre, so you can definitely make that argument for Tournament Fighters just by virtue of it being legit. If you dive into Japan-only releases, Yū Yū Hakusho Final: Makai Saikyō Retsuden (SNES) (Namco/TOSE) is good, and Treasure's 4-player Genesis Yu Yu Hakusho is a well (and very innovative at the time). Some people liked the 16-bit Dragon Ball fighters back in the day - I knew kids with import copies, and being able to fight on the ground or in the air especially was seen as the coolest aspect at the time - but I find them too choppy, personally. Agreed on Turtles in Time being possibly the best SNES beat-'em-up. I think it's better than the arcade original. I'd add that Konami's SNES Batman Returns is solid, too. The NES game is kind of trash. I also like Sunsoft's Genesis Batman a lot more than their NES Batman, though it's not nearly as well-regarded, and Software Creations' Spider-Man & Venom - Maximum Carnage, even if it's really hard for the genre.
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Post by spanky on Sept 17, 2020 13:40:06 GMT -5
I know Konami's TMNT games are kind of a mixed bag in regards to overall quality, but they are beloved for a reason. The SNES port of Turtles in Time is really excellent and you could probably make a pretty strong case for it being the best beat-em up on the SNES. The SNES version of Tournament Fighters is a great fighting game as well. Definitely the best licensed fighter on the system and probably the best one not based on an existing arcade game? The developers wisely just pretty much ripped off the "feel" of Street Fighter II and tacked on some extras like those crazy super moves and it works out great! SNES and Genesis-exclusive fighters are mostly mediocre, so you can definitely make that argument for Tournament Fighters just by virtue of it being legit. If you dive into Japan-only releases, Yū Yū Hakusho Final: Makai Saikyō Retsuden (SNES) (Namco/TOSE) is good, and Treasure's 4-player Genesis Yu Yu Hakusho is a well (and very innovative at the time). Some people liked the 16-bit Dragon Ball fighters back in the day - I knew kids with import copies, and being able to fight on the ground or in the air especially was seen as the coolest aspect at the time - but I find them too choppy, personally. Agreed on Turtles in Time being possibly the best SNES beat-'em-up. I think it's better than the arcade original. I'd add that Konami's SNES Batman Returns is solid, too. The NES game is kind of trash. I also like Sunsoft's Genesis Batman a lot more than their NES Batman, though it's not nearly as well-regarded, and Software Creations' Spider-Man & Venom - Maximum Carnage, even if it's really hard for the genre. Good call on the YYH games, I played them on emulator a dog's age ago but I remember them being pretty fun, especially that Genesis one. The old Dragon Ball games are pretty trash outside of Hyper Dimension. Though, if you were to believe EGM's glowing coverage of DBZ import games back in the day you might be fooled into thinking they were awesome. I just played the SNES Batman Returns the other day and it IS a really great beat-em up. I love it when brawlers make your character "feel" powerful and this game really pulls it off. Batman in this game is especially brutal, driving clowns into the concrete face first and slamming them into walls. Oh and back to TMNT...I think the original game for the NES is actually pretty good and gets a lot of undue hate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 13:45:11 GMT -5
SNES Batman Returns was unfairly judged back in the day due to lack of 2 player mode, which was considered a sin or something back then. I always loved it though since Batman had a great range of moves and it felt like he was really putting the hurt on enemies. Smashing them into each other, into windows, and the nice sound effect feedback made it seem pretty aggressive.
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Post by toei on Sept 17, 2020 15:41:22 GMT -5
Yeah, being able to throw enemies upwards towards walls and windows is a small thing, but it adds a lot. People going through windows was one of the basics of '80s and '90s action movies, too, so it's surprising that it didn't feature more heavily in games of that era. Batman Returns didn't invent this move, though, as I know I've seen it elsewhere. Was it in Tough Turf? If so, that's the only cool thing about that game. And yeah, excelsior , there was really a widespread belief at the time that beat-'em-ups had to be played with a partner. Even I always played them with my brother or a friend. So solo beat-'em-ups, like BR or Splatterhouse 3, (which is also great) didn't get their due. I remember seeing the latter all the time at the rental store and thinking the cover looked cool, but I never rented it for no one other reason than the box said "1-player". I'd say I prefer playing beat-'em-ups alone now, you get more enemies to take care of and no one gets in the way.
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Post by ommadawnyawn2 on Sept 17, 2020 16:08:15 GMT -5
I like BM Returns SNES up until the fight with catwoman, but it's certainly better overall than the MD game. The first one for MD is pretty solid with a great OST, just lacking the wall jumping on NES and being kind of easy overall.
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Post by ZenithianHero on Sept 17, 2020 19:18:16 GMT -5
The Capcom Disney games all come to mind. Simple, fun games with kids in mind that have stellar production values - just like the works they are based on. Same goes for Sega's Illusion series, also Quackshot.
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Post by Bumpyroad on Sept 18, 2020 1:21:48 GMT -5
The Mummy Demastered
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Post by magic89 on Sept 18, 2020 12:16:13 GMT -5
Home Alone Amiga/MS-DOS ive think the only Home Alone game what are faithful to film, but Genesis/Game Gear are not to shabby to try it.
Airwolf(Famicon) Very nice shmup, if you are fan of these TV series, only problem ive encounter are choppy boss fights and after you finish level you must write down the password you been provided because to finish game you must imput all passwords.
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Post by toei on Sept 18, 2020 13:10:23 GMT -5
I like BM Returns SNES up until the fight with catwoman, but it's certainly better overall than the MD game. The first one for MD is pretty solid with a great OST, just lacking the wall jumping on NES and being kind of easy overall. I hated the Catwoman fight at first (and the fact you fight her again shortly after) and it soured me on the game for a while, but eventually I figured out the pattern and it made it okay. Basically, the bosses in that game are more like the bosses you'd find in other types of retro action games than typical beat-'em-up bosses, and you do have to figure out the patterns or you'll get slaughtered. I don't think the Genesis Batman "lacked" the wall-jumping because a lot of the platforming in NES Batman was dreadful. The Genesis game having less of it is a plus. Finishing NES Batman last year was such a painful and tedious experience for me that I literally didn't feel like playing video games for a few months after that. Not to mention that dumb, broken final boss. I hate that game more than Ninja Gaiden.
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Post by ommadawnyawn2 on Sept 19, 2020 3:07:45 GMT -5
Hehe ok. That platforming is one of the things people tend to like about the NES one, it would've been nice to have on MD I think as it worked well.
Not saying the game isn't frustrating though it has more to to do with enemy pattern design and placement, and some control issues. NG was more frustrating to me though, that's a game I'm baffled that people rank so highly among other NES games besides the ninja theme and presentation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 4:20:47 GMT -5
Batman Returns - I had problems with Catwoman at first and initially just test tubed her to death. Then she showed up again and I figured I'd actually need to learn to beat her. The Penguin bosses are similar. They're about learning the patterns rather than powering through. I managed to beat it a couple of times as a kid but it was a tough one for sure. magic89 - I've played Airwolf, had no idea it was a licensed game. This also went for UN Squadron back in the day which I learned much later was a Manga series Some more Spider-Man games I liked: Spider-Man & Venom Maximum Carnage - this one uses panels straight from the story it's based on to gain a feel for the series. The bosses are all straight from there too, although some of them show up a little too often. There's a decent attempt at giving the characters move sets based on their counterparts too. This ones very tough, but I did manage to beat it once. I never managed to repeat it though. Gameplaywise it's only okay though. Spider-Man Mysterio's Menace - Has some nice minor exporation with collecting upgrades and suits. Spider-Man Arcade Game - The colour palette is really nice and reflects that found in earlier comics. The characters have od stances though which kind of hurts the look. There's quite a few bosses and characters are nice and large. Spider-Man PS4 - This one really captures the movement and combat like no other. Spider-Man feels very versatile. There's a nice story also with really good characterisation. Could have dug into the rogues gallery a bit more though. The Spider-Man PS1 games I also remember being good
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Post by spanky on Sept 19, 2020 8:04:59 GMT -5
I'm kinda fond of Maximum Carnage even though it's not a great game. It's one of the many games that's burned into my brain because I rented as a kid and would waste an entire weekend playing it. I really love the graphics...it has a sorta gritty style that's evocative of comics in the era. I only beat it once, and that was using a guide to find all the hidden areas so I could get lots of extra lives. It has some questionable design decisions too - if I recall, there's a point where Spider Man has to fight through a jail to rescue Venom. Before the level you are given an option of choosing Spider Man or Venom. If you choose Spidey, you have to fight through the level. If you choose Venom, it picks up at the point where Spider Man saves Venom, essentially allowing you to skip the entire level...
I do like the sorta meta ending where Carnage interrupts the end credits for one more fight. Bitchin' soundtrack too...
PS4 Spider Man started off great but towards the end of the game I felt like I was doing chores/ticking boxes off a checklist. I get this feeling with most open world games. And those Mary Jane missions sucked ass.
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Post by magic89 on Sept 19, 2020 12:00:54 GMT -5
Spider Man the movie 2002 olso good one. its kinda like spiritual successor to Spider Man(2000) & Spider Man 2 Enter Electro(2001)
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