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Post by necromaniac on May 26, 2006 11:40:34 GMT -5
Yeah. It has ben fashionable to diss EVA for a while now, and altough I admit it has it's faults (It's best just to skip the last two episodes and go straight to the movie), it's one of the best televisual moments I've ever had. And the soundtrack is godly. Too bad that Gainax themselfs have milked the franchise beond dry, fuelling many of the sadest otaku out there and further adding to its list of haters (Hideki Anno dissaproves of this btw).
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Post by YourAverageJoe on May 26, 2006 14:43:20 GMT -5
Unlike most elitists, I don't hate EVA, I do think it's a little overrated, but it deserves a lot of its recieved acclaim.
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Post by necromaniac on May 26, 2006 15:15:29 GMT -5
Sorry, I wasn't pointing any fingers. I would probably say the same if It hadn't discovered it at excacly right time in my life. And I love the Ghost In the Shell manga, rating it high in my top 5 manga list, that's why i'm so critical on both of Mamoru Oshii's bore fests. The series are good though but try to hard to mimic the movies in my opinion. And talking about good anime, I also recoment Alien Nine and Narutaru (Shadow Star). Both appear to be childish but are quite sinister belove the surface.
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Post by YourAverageJoe on May 26, 2006 16:01:39 GMT -5
Ah, like Rayman, that thing's evil.
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Post by jameseightbitstar on May 26, 2006 16:50:50 GMT -5
Yea, I don't hate Eva either, I just don't think its the best.
Umm, are there any other Osamu Tezuka fans here?
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Post by necromaniac on May 26, 2006 18:17:46 GMT -5
Aye, he's the original maistero, and the reason I hate Lion King (They ripped of Kimba: The white lion, and didn't even credit him).
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Post by jameseightbitstar on May 26, 2006 18:50:55 GMT -5
Yea, but the Tezuka estate saw that as a compliment. Those silly Japanese.
It's kinda ironic really, as Tezuka himself was inspired largely by Disney films, was a huge fan of Bambi, and had actually met Walt Disney (who had said he wanted to create something "just like" Tezuka's Astro Boy).
What got me into Tezuka, personally, was buying the boxed set of Astro Boy (1980s version). I went in expecting it to be a typical Shonen Anime: Hero beats up badguys, saves world, learns the power of friendship, and goes home happy. Instead what I get is episodes like (using the English titles), Goliath's Head, Wreck of the Titan, Astro Fights Aliens, The Hijacked Airship, Atlas Forever, Lilly of Pillegro Island, Uran's Quest, and Astro's First Love--episodes that have many grey-area situations where there is no clear-cut villain or good versus evil conflict, but rather just show the general mix of feelings and attitudes and how they all come together.
Tezuka's stories could go from being goofy to sad without being jarring or broken, could have a message without shoving it down the viewer's throat, and more importantly knew how to play up the viewer's emotions to maximum effect. Seeing Astro Boy, I found myself comparing it to X-Men... Astro Boy handles some of the same concepts, but handles them much better.
Afterwards I went back and re-watched other Tezuka-based anime I had seen, and found most of them (Phoenix 2772 in particular) to be much better than I had remembered.
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Post by necromaniac on May 26, 2006 21:15:27 GMT -5
Yeah, but personaly I think his works are much better in Manga form. It just feels a bit more personal while his Anime is all over the place in its influence.
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Post by Discoalucard on May 26, 2006 22:24:06 GMT -5
Alien Nine is fucked up. Even more so in the manga.
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Post by jameseightbitstar on May 26, 2006 22:36:14 GMT -5
Yeah, but personaly I think his works are much better in Manga form. It just feels a bit more personal while his Anime is all over the place in its influence. I could imagine that. Truth be told, I have yet to get to read an actual Tezuka manga. I've only seen the anime adaptions of his work. I'd love to pick up Astro Boy and Kimba the White Lion sometime though. And if I ever learn enough Japanese, I'd probably hunt down some of those hardcover collections too.
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Post by Malroth on May 27, 2006 1:23:25 GMT -5
This is off topic, but I'd like to take a moment to say, "What the hell, Borders?"
I stepped in the other day to read the latest Bleach and Kenshin manga and what do I find? Yaoi. I mean, has it really become that popular that it has to be on the damn shelves? Eesh. And what about the guys? Shouldn't there be some kind of Yuri manga for the rest of us?
...Anyway, I haven't been watching much anime lately save for what's on Adult Swim. I have been reading D-Gray Man and Death Note. Those have been pretty cool.
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Post by Discoalucard on May 27, 2006 9:14:01 GMT -5
And what about the guys? Shouldn't there be some kind of Yuri manga for the rest of us? Yeah that's what kinda annoys me about it. But I guess yuri manga's perceived to be not as popular nor as prolific as yaoi. Plus, I'm assuming most yuri would be classified as porn. I don't think the yaoi stuff is (although some of it is shrinkwrapped...)
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Post by necromaniac on May 27, 2006 9:22:57 GMT -5
I dont know. Is it Brokeback Mountain yuri or Italian Stallion yaoi?
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Post by jameseightbitstar on May 27, 2006 19:11:10 GMT -5
Yaoi = involves gay guys. So Yuri = involves lesbians.
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Post by necromaniac on May 27, 2006 22:13:37 GMT -5
Aye, but it isn't necessarily always pornographical.
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