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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2006 7:37:23 GMT -5
To me, their games just feel really...uninspired. This isn't just age talking - I felt the same way when I was like ten. ... uninspired? I apologize, but I grew up on Nintendo, and was actually a... *shudder*... a ffff.... FANBOY. *vomit* Can't believe I said that... the Dreamcast changed all that, though, and now I heart both Nintendo and Sega with an everlasting viscosity. Still, I do love Nintendo... although, in retrospect, their Nazi-esque third-party policies were pretty pigheaded. Still, I thought they made some damn good games... ah well. I'm a guy who actually likes Clu Clu Land, so it would be pretty hard to convince me otherwise. ;D Anyway, I would write one on Sonic, but I still love the classic titles, and Sonic Adventure was quite good. Though, for the most part, the series began to fall orf around that point.
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Post by YourAverageJoe on Nov 11, 2006 12:16:23 GMT -5
I've only played one Zelda game to the end, and it's often regarded as the "worst": Minish Cap. Something just clicked, and that game being the only one I could play through really says alot about me and the series.
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Post by MRSKELETON on Nov 11, 2006 14:28:07 GMT -5
I don't know. I've been reading alot of you guys posts and I realized something. Most of you either grew up with PC, Sega or Nintendo and that's weird because I must've been really fortunate to grow up with both atari and PC but an NES and Sega Genesis.
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Post by kyouki on Nov 11, 2006 16:10:43 GMT -5
I feel that Nintendo has completely lost their touch, and were showing signs of slipping during the latter years of the SNES. I was a big Nintendo fan. Loved the NES and the SNES, and even went out and got a Nintendo 64 when it launched. Mario 64 is the last great Nintendo game I played... everything after that has been a complete lack of imagination and innovation. The GC was a big letdown, as was the GBA, and the DS is pretty close. I'm not a fan of "mature" games (because usually this means a ton of gratuitous gore and language), but there's something to be said for the negative "kiddy" image Nintendo has cultivated. For me at least, it's not so much that their characters are cute... it's that I feel like I'm being patronized in all of their modern games. There's no challenge, no mystery, no having to figure out anything. I'm absolutely sick of in-game mandatory tutorials that explain every ridiculous aspect of the game in excruciating detail. In Windwaker, why do I need to go through the whole "YOU OPENED A TREASURE CHEST" unskippable SLOW dialog every time I open a box?? For all the hype about how Nintendo is innovative and whatnot, I see no evidence to support it. Windwaker is like a carbon copy of Ocarina of Time. It's got a better frame rate, and of course an all new world and nicer graphics... but there isn't one new gameplay idea in that entire game. Look at the other GC Nintendo games: Super Mario Sunshine, Super Smash Brothers Melee, Mario Kart Double Dash. These four games probably make up nearly half of pretty much any GC owner's top-ten list. Then you have Metroid Prime (which I found to be dull, but recognize that it is an expertly done transition for Metroid to 3D), with its expansion-pack-like sequel. Animal Crossing is a barely upgraded N64 game. It's just frustrating to see Nintendo like this.
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Post by MRSKELETON on Nov 11, 2006 16:36:40 GMT -5
The DS isn't a letdown. It's got some of the best 2d games on it i've played in years. You know, I really dont like you and that post has given me completely new reasons of why exactly people ridicule gamers - Because every single one of you is fucking spoiled. Every game that is released now days is epected to be another halo, OOT, Super mario brothers and it's getting godamned ridiculous.
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Post by necromaniac on Nov 11, 2006 18:39:25 GMT -5
No, I think our problem is the opposite. Now days, almost every game tries to be Halo, OOT, Super mario brothers, GTA ,ect. We demand less sequels/copycats and more originality and although Nintendo's quality control is excellent and most it's games are solid, I'm sick and tired of their fat old plummer (never liked him as a mascot to begin with, although the games are ace). I just wish they'd take as many risks in game development as they are doing with their game systems (WarioWare is a good example). I dislike Halo, perhaps because I play PC shooters regularly, and know it was originally meant for bigger things. The original GTA is the only one I've bothered to finish, mainly because the formula already became old with the second one. (3D doesn't mean it's not basically the same). And something died with Zelda after the second one. (It's still a good game series, just not the same). And if this rant doesn't make any sense, it's because I'm drunk.
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Post by kyouki on Nov 11, 2006 20:53:06 GMT -5
Agreed, Nintendo is in a great position to really bring something to the industry, like they did back with the NES. I'd hate to see them bungle it up and go another generation riding the success of their most popular franchises, so we'll see how the Wii turns out/ However, the I'm a bit concerned (I guess as concerned as I can get over a video game) with the Wii launch lineup and am hoping Nintendo will really step up and bring some interesting things to the table in 2007.
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Post by Shellshock on Nov 11, 2006 23:46:09 GMT -5
Oh, and be sure to mention how that Advent Children commercial of a movie sucked and how Spirits Within was actually okay (Although it shouldn't have had Final Fantasy in the title). Hmmm... and I was sure it was the other way around....
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Post by necromaniac on Nov 12, 2006 0:13:39 GMT -5
Tetsuya Nomura on Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children:
Plot, what plot? We have over-the-top action and every frickin' fan-servable character from the game, no matter if they are dead or alive. It's not as people played the frickin' rpg for the plot. Chockobos? Never herd of 'em, but we've got the latest cell phones on the market, complete with a victory theme ring tone! Buy 'em while they're hot (and expensive!)
Don't get me wrong, Final Fantasy VII was the third RPG I played and loved and finished and I consider it one of the best, but the movie was pure trash. (except for the animation, which was awesome).
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Post by kyouki on Nov 12, 2006 0:23:32 GMT -5
My friend brought FFVII:AC over one day and his instructions were, "Don't pay attention to the story or the dialog or the plot... just watch the great animation." On that level it was very enjoyable.
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Post by MRSKELETON on Nov 12, 2006 0:28:29 GMT -5
It's a movie, The action is SUPPOSED to be over the top.
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Post by necromaniac on Nov 12, 2006 0:33:49 GMT -5
Yes, but is it IMDB 7.8/10 enjoyable? I admit I often like movies low on plot/high on eye-candy like Hero and House of flying Daggers (puuuurrrrrdy, anybody remember the plot? (ironicly, they are both somewhat based on thick scrolls of chineese lore)) but being a spin-off of one of the greatest RPG adventures of all time makes you expect a little more.... substance (like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, for example).
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Post by necromaniac on Nov 12, 2006 0:38:19 GMT -5
It's a movie, The action is SUPPOSED to be over the top. Well, the game had both story and over-the-top action. It's kind of the same with the Matrix films, the first one is one of the most thought provoking action film of all time throwing in neat little ideas and breathtaking action everywhere. The second and third threw the plot out of the window (no, biblical references do not equal depth) making them hollow and anti-climatic. Then came the copy-cats, all trying to out-matrix the matrix, totally ignoring the meat that made the first one so fulfilling. FF:AC is one such film imo.
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Post by jameseightbitstar on Nov 12, 2006 1:27:31 GMT -5
Who is Tetsuya Nomura and did he actually say all that?
Personally I've never quite lived with FF7 being considered "one of the greatest epics of all time." It's a weak game that was massively hyped and is only so highly-regarded because it sold so well and was so hyped. It had "impact" in that it made RPGs more popular in America and that's why many remember it. Not to mention, nearly every Square RPG afterwards was very similar stylistically so its easy to recall FF7.
While FF7 is nowhere near being the WORST RPG I've ever played, or even the worst game of the FF series (that would be FF2), it's certainly not very high on the list and certainly shouldn't be an "epic."
EDIT: I could write a Crank about FF7, but I won't. For one, Kurt has already decreed that FF7 is not allowed. For another, I think I understand and agree with that decision. I'm sure I could really crank it up, but I wouldn't be saying something that hasn't been said by every other FF7 critic in the galaxy.
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Post by Weasel on Nov 12, 2006 2:59:51 GMT -5
Nomura is the director of FF7:AC, and the guy that made the character designs for several Square games.
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