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Post by Colonel Kurtz on May 2, 2009 9:08:12 GMT -5
I rest my case.
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Post by dooz on May 2, 2009 9:12:17 GMT -5
I always considered survival horror games to be games that require a constant struggle just to survive in a tense horror atmosphere. Killer 7 has horror elements, but I don't think it's a survival horror game. If it is, then we might as well call all horror games survival horror games, since you can get hurt in pretty much any horror game.
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Post by Smithee on May 2, 2009 10:28:22 GMT -5
Ja ja, like horror and SURVIVAL horror. Big dicked differences.
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Post by America Young Fusion on May 2, 2009 11:59:11 GMT -5
From what I've learned on that Lynch thread we had at Off Topic, Suda was inspired and worked a would-be RE game where the shooting's done in first person and a story that went through with a surreal atmosphere that even tossed some social commentary and too much depth that would seem out of place in the lives of the STARS gang.
And I personally think it should count. I mean yes, you got infinite ammo, but you're being constantly assaulted by enemies that explode by just making contact. I recall how entering a Harman's Room on Kaku Building's was such a phenomenal mistake and how you had to keep moving and blasting all over the place otherwise the Smiles would just swarm.
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on May 2, 2009 12:31:21 GMT -5
From the TC's first post, he didn't seem opposed that games which are borderline. killer 7 is exactly that. As I said, this is a game that blurs the lines. That being said there ARE tense situations, you WILL be cornered and die. I'm just following the TC's criteria the way I understood them. Or we can restrict ourselves to ReSi, admit Silent Hill with reservations and throw the rest out. (I'm just making a hyperbole here).
But that would make for a short list. The TC stipulated he was even open to light-gun games. So we could add House of the Dead easily in here. I think K7 is closer to what the TC had in mind... eh... Love, peace and zombies.
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on May 2, 2009 18:15:36 GMT -5
I always considered survival horror games to be games that require a constant struggle just to survive (...) See, that's where we may diverge. Because an overwheliming majority of video games ask you just that, Heck, Space Invaders leaves you as a lone ship, constantly trying to survive what were at the time - nasty looking aliens. They were as oppressing and icky as you could get with the technology of those old, old times. Yet that was not survival horror. I think there must be a calculated morbid, twisted aspect to the world you play in to become horror, that and the always present possibility of being gruesomely killed by some abject abomination. So yeah, this thread is wider, more open than, basically, ReSi and all its children. love, peace and zombies! (And a big hug to Suda 51. He's cool.)
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Post by derboo on May 2, 2009 18:30:21 GMT -5
I wouldn't even get the idea to call Killer 7 borderline. I fail to see any more "survival" elements than in, say, Super Mario Bros.
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on May 2, 2009 19:27:40 GMT -5
OK, I get what you mean, you're right. The setting is creepy, but the game is an on-rail shooter... okay.
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Post by ryochan on May 2, 2009 22:43:12 GMT -5
I think rather than fighting about what is, and is not, survival horror, we should just toss the games out there that we see as possibly counting. The OP can then research and decide which ones seem interesting to them. Because, if anyone wants to get technical, Survival is termed as "living through" or "living despite" basically, and horror is more or less anything that scares someone. So, let's play nice
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Post by Catalyst on May 2, 2009 23:30:14 GMT -5
Though, I wouldn't have counted Killer7 in there off the top of my head, I do remember being seriously creeped out while I was playing it. I think dooz's definition is okay for pure survival horror, but like others already mentioned I'm accepting borderline games as well. Besides horror is so objective that I know we aren't all going to come up with the same list. So please do chuck every single game you can think of at this board. Also if anybody has an answer to my earlier question about Alone in the Dark: New Nightmare. What's the difference between the Dreamcast version and the PS2 version?
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Post by Catalyst on Jul 28, 2009 14:09:54 GMT -5
I've been playing a few recommendations, that I got off of this board, and have to say so far I'm really impressed. I purchased a Dreamcast a while back and I'm going through, Alone in the Dark: New Nightmare, Blue Stinger, Carrier, The Ring Terror's Realm, and Zombie Revenge. I even managed to find a Parasite Eve for the Playstation still in it's original case while searching for Dreamcast games, so it was a win/win.
Anyways, I've been looking at the recommendations and noticed there weren't that many PC ones. Please send me more recommendations for PC survival horror, so far the only ones I know of are The Blair Witch Project games I saw in a magazine along time ago, Clive Barker's Undying, and Bad Day on the Midway. Does anybody know of any others?
Also if you could recommend a few games from WiiWare, XBLA, or the PNStore that are survival horror types. The only ones I was able to find were Siren: Blood Curse on the Playstation Network and LIT from WiiWare. No of any others?
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Post by Feynman on Jul 28, 2009 16:11:35 GMT -5
Anyways, I've been looking at the recommendations and noticed there weren't that many PC ones. Please send me more recommendations for PC survival horror, so far the only ones I know of are The Blair Witch Project games I saw in a magazine along time ago, Clive Barker's Undying, and Bad Day on the Midway. Does anybody know of any others? The Penumbra trilogy. Cheap and awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2009 17:10:54 GMT -5
Someone mentioned Waxworks on irc recently...holy shit, some of the stuff in that game was stomach churning.
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Post by kobushi on Jul 28, 2009 20:39:16 GMT -5
I have to disagree about Blue Stinger. Although the basic gameplay is clearly influenced by Resident Evil, I wouldn't call it survival horror.
If the underlying premise behind Resident Evil was to turn a B-grade horror flick into a game, then the underlying premise behind Blue Stinger was to turn a B-grade science fiction flick into a game.
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Post by vysethebold on Jul 28, 2009 20:55:27 GMT -5
I just picked up the first Echo Night for the PSX. I'll let you know what I think of it soon.
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