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Post by sunwoo on Sept 10, 2009 22:02:10 GMT -5
Cool, now I want to see a list of Dual's bottom 101 games. And if it contains any games that I happen to like, I'll throw a total bitch-fit! Since we're on the topic of MGS4, I gotta say that it was a fun game, but I really could have done without that long, boring ending. Also, Otacon was a bit of a crybaby bitch. I guess I couldn't really get into the story enough to really sympathize with the characters. All this stuff about the Patriots and the crazy nano-machine technology was a little too far-fetched for me. Otacon was a crybaby bitch in all the games he appeared, i was expecting a bit of a change in the last one since he has grown up and is more "mature" and has lived and seeing more things. But nope, he's still an otaku/geek/virgin who is scared of women. All his scenes with Naomi are cringe-inducing and so badly written that it almost made me want to watch an episode of Grey's Anatomy instead of that. Taking into consideration that, all the scenes of the beauty & the beast member's ass close-ups and all the boob-yanking in Policenauts there's no doubt that Kojima needs psychological help. Or at least he should stop projecting all his frustrations in his games. He should have enough money for call girls at this point. Or maybe he thinks his entire fanbase is made of 13 year old boys? Ahem, i'll stop now.
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Post by cj iwakura on Sept 10, 2009 22:11:51 GMT -5
Wayforward was also somewhat hyped for Sigma Star Saga (even though it turned out to be a dud). now that I think about it, Contra 4 is called Contra: Dual Spirits in Japan. But I guess it balances out, since Contra III was called Contra Spirits there....although Super Contra was only numbered in Europe (as Probotector II). I enjoyed Sigma Star Saga. Anyway, lack of Saturn and Dreamcast love aside, it's a pretty good list. I'm glad to see MUSHA get love anywhere, and Nocturne belongs in any top anything list.
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Post by Dais on Sept 10, 2009 22:47:22 GMT -5
I enjoyed Sigma Star Saga. so did I, but I'm trying to make it a policy of not doing any favors to single-player games where you can spawn and die in less than a second. (in SSS' case due to the game's absurd method of randomizing encounters so you might end up with a huge ship flying down a tiny tunnel)
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Post by Justinzero on Sept 10, 2009 22:58:14 GMT -5
I liked what the game was trying to do, but my attention waned after a few good weeks of casual playing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2009 23:02:41 GMT -5
Lots of great games on this list, with only one that I'd say is absolutely uncalled for. Naturally, that would be MGS4. I just don't see how any of the major revelations make any sense in context with the rest of the series. It's very clear that Kojima pulled all of those plot points out of his ass at the last minute.
It's one thing to enjoy the gameplay of MGS4, or even appreciate some of the plot points or levels. I just can't comprehend how someone can say that they're a huge fan of the series, and still enjoyed the plot of MGS4.
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Post by Justinzero on Sept 10, 2009 23:09:59 GMT -5
You have to be a fan of Kojima and his very outlandish plotlines to truly "get" his games. All of them are like that to some degree, with MGS4 being the ultimate culmination of his style. Thinking about it though, I wouldn't be surprised if the higher-ups at Konami asked him to make the game that way, as its the closing chapter to the whole series, and their first romp on the PS3. Say what you will about the story, the games presence and display was just phenomenal. I haven't been wowed by the technological feats of a video game since good 3d games hit store shelves. Some people don't like MGS4 because it turned out to be the game everyone expected it to be. Its for that same reason though, that many fans have come to look at the game with high regard. You can't look down on a game for doing what it set out to do, and without changing its dynamic approach to the well established series norms. The differences between all 4 entries in the Solid series are trivial at best, as the core elements are very present in each game. I'm of the firm belief that MGS is the natural progression of Kojima's old text adventure games. There is a huge presence of story, dialogue, and depth in each MGS title, just like there was in Policenauts and Snatcher. You could take the action sequences away from MGS, and there would still be a really great piece of entertainment left over. People just gripe because they want more of a "Gears of War" type game, and less reading and brain comprehension. At the end of the day though, it has to entertain you, or its worthless as a game. MGS is a series that has to really click with you, and if it doesn't then I could see how it wouldn't be that fun to play. Metal Gear Solid (and especially the 4th chapter) is not realistic, nor should its plot points be expected to be. I know there were some really far out plot points in the fourth game, but were they really as far fetched as other parts of the series? If the US army actually builds a giant mech robot thing with a nuclear missile compatible rail gun, I'll laugh my damn ass.
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Post by ryochan on Sept 11, 2009 0:58:41 GMT -5
I enjoyed reading this very much. Made me realize I play too many RPGs and not enough of other game genres (probably as I've never been very good at most, or only enjoyed a few of the ones I've tried). It also made me think "Have I ever played 101 games? How many have I beat???" That question... Is still to be answered. And come on, people, let's not complain about a PERSONAL list, please? Naturally someone else is going to have a different opinion than you. After all, I've never been a large fan of Castlevania, to me it's sort of boring though the graphics are nice, but I won't fault Dual for liking them.
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Post by Revolver Ocelot on Sept 11, 2009 1:16:10 GMT -5
I'm not as big a detractor of "Top ________" lists as most people (it seems all the cool kids advertise their hatred of lists like a badge of hardcore-ness these days), but if there is one thing I can't vouch for, it's personal favorites lists. I don't know about you, but my personal favorites list would be very fluid, changing on an almost daily basis. And it's not just because of new games coming out, it's because my feelings about certain games change over time. Sometimes, I think Shadow of the Colossus is my favorite game ever, other times, it's Super Metroid, other times, it's Metal Gear Solid 3, other times, it's Ys Book I & II, and so on. I'd like to think I'm not unique in this sense. If I made a list like this, I'd most likely come back to it years, months, or perhaps even weeks later and be a bit dumbfounded by it.
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Post by sunwoo on Sept 11, 2009 1:18:59 GMT -5
Lots of great games on this list, with only one that I'd say is absolutely uncalled for. Naturally, that would be MGS4. I just don't see how any of the major revelations make any sense in context with the rest of the series. It's very clear that Kojima pulled all of those plot points out of his ass at the last minute. It's one thing to enjoy the gameplay of MGS4, or even appreciate some of the plot points or levels. I just can't comprehend how someone can say that they're a huge fan of the series, and still enjoyed the plot of MGS4. Indeed, same thing with MGS2, which was the game that put all those absurd and dumb plot points to begin with. Not to mention the lame characters (Fat Man, Emma) and atrocious dialogues. That's how Kojima is, he can make a great game, then followed by a bad one, then by another good one, and so on.
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Post by ommadawnyawn on Sept 11, 2009 1:47:58 GMT -5
Hehe, maybe I'll do another sometime, might be a while, though. Sure, just saying you have a reader when that happens Like someone said a "bottom" list might be pretty interesting too.
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Post by Reiji-kun on Sept 11, 2009 2:21:09 GMT -5
so did I, but I'm trying to make it a policy of not doing any favors to single-player games where you can spawn and die in less than a second. (in SSS' case due to the game's absurd method of randomizing encounters so you might end up with a huge ship flying down a tiny tunnel) That, and the fact the random battles happen so often, and that you are forced to endure the battles from beginning to end without an escape feature, and that I had no idea where I was going, and the Gun Data feature, was what contributed to my dislike of the game, and in the end it wasn't very fun at all. I admit, combining a RPG with a shooter was a unique and daring idea, though.
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Post by retr0gamer on Sept 11, 2009 6:13:12 GMT -5
You have to be a fan of Kojima and his very outlandish plotlines to truly "get" his games. All of them are like that to some degree, with MGS4 being the ultimate culmination of his style. Metal Gear Solid (and especially the 4th chapter) is not realistic, nor should its plot points be expected to be. I know there were some really far out plot points in the fourth game, but were they really as far fetched as other parts of the series? If the US army actually builds a giant mech robot thing with a nuclear missile compatible rail gun, I'll laugh my damn ass. I love all of Kojimas games, even MGS2 when it let you actually play the game, but didn't like MGS4 at all. It was like everything that was wrong with MGS2 except multiplied. I know the MGS games aren't the most realistic but they never dived into the depths of retardedness that MGS4 did. Well MGS2 did at points but MGS4 was full ridiculous from start to finish. Meryl and Akiba, thats all I need to say although there's plenty more scenes like that big giant ship thingy appearing from nowhere and the following cutscenes.
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Post by dire51 on Sept 11, 2009 7:54:05 GMT -5
However 2 niggles. Too much love for Halo, it's a run of the mill FPS and there's far better examples of the genre on the PC. The other niggle would be that MGS4 would be nowhere near my top 101 list let alone the top. I hated the game, it did so much wrong. If this was a "The top X games of all time" done by a "professional" magazine or website, this kind of comment would be expected, because no matter what, an attempt to define what the top games of all time are is futile. No one's going to agree 100% with it all the time. But this is Kitten's personal list, and when dealing with a personal top X list of any kind, comments like this always irk me. Just using this post as an example: so you hate MGS4 and think that other FPSes should have been on this list instead of the Halo games. So what?! It's Kitten's list with her personal favorites, who are you to dictate what her tastes should be? I remember getting emails about my old Top 100 on the OPCFG (which hasn't changed much since I posted it way back when), or seeing my list dissected on other forums. I'd get bashed because my list was too Konami or shooter-centric, or I'd get blasted because I didn't include (take your pick from the most common annoyances) any Sonic games, any Final Fantasy (especially 3 SNES or 7), any fighting games (especially Street Fighter II), SMB3 or Mario 64. My response was usually along the lines of "when you make your own list, you go ahead and include (the game in question). This is my list and it ain't changing - the key words here being my list." It seemed to me that most of the complainers were too damned stupid to realize it was a personal list, not another attempt to define what the top 100 games for the world are - even though I clearly stated that it was a list of my top 100 favorite games right up front.
So you want to comment on Kitten's list, fine. So you may not personally agree with her choices in some cases. But don't tell her she's wrong just because you disagree with her.
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Post by retr0gamer on Sept 11, 2009 8:05:07 GMT -5
Well there's no point putting up a personal top 101 games if you don't want to heving it dissected. I put up my own personal top 100 games on another forum and the main reason I did that was to get some discussion and dissection of it going on. Its part of the fun. Kittens love of MGS4 isn't wrong. MGS4 is wrong I think my problems with that game need their own thread .
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Post by dire51 on Sept 11, 2009 8:39:18 GMT -5
Inspiring discussion is one thing, being told you're wrong for liking what you like or don't like is another thing entirely. By telling her she's giving too much love to the Halo games when there are better FPSes out there and that MGS4 shouldn't be at the top of the list (or even on it) just because you feel that way, you're saying that her list is wrong.
I hate FPSes as a general rule and I've never played MGS4 (nor do I plan to, I lost interest in the MGS games after MGS), but I'll be damned if I'm going to tell anyone that they're wrong for putting them on their personal favorites list, just because I feel differently about the games than they do. I expect the same courtesy from others when they see my list, but what I expect and what I get are two different things.
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