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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2010 14:14:31 GMT -5
I think I'm kind of the opposite; I'm one of the deviants that thinks that Batman is a massive hypocrite whose only joy in life is to see other people be more miserable than he is. At least, that's how I rationalize "The Killing Joke" and all things associated with it, and the fact that his rogues gallery is still alive given how shitty the justice and mental health systems are in Gotham. Then again, a rational Batman would make for shitty reading  . |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2010 14:31:09 GMT -5
I dunno, I can think of quite a few iconic Batman villains that are powered. Mr. Freeze, Ivy, Croc, Clayface, etc. In some of those cases, I really don't see how they're any more or less realistic than Weather Wizard or Captain Cold. I wouldn't say Mr. Freeze is super powered, he just has a fancy gun. In that respect, he's no different from Captain Cold. However, Cold's opponent is a guy who can move at the speed of light. Batman is a mortal man. To me, that makes it much, much more tolerable. I think Croc could work in a more realistic setting, but he'd have to be overhauled. Instead of being an alligator man, he could just be freakishly ugly and really built. Ivy is a more delicate situation. She could still be an eco-terrorist, but the whole plant control thing needs to go, possibly even the Poison Ivy name. Clayface is downright ridiculous, though. He should just be a master of disguise, not some living vat of Play-Doh. Of course, this stuff all worked in the 40s, 50s and 60s. That's fine for that era. It just seems laughable in today's world. |
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Post by rorshacma on Apr 27, 2010 14:45:00 GMT -5
I think Croc could work in a more realistic setting, but he'd have to be overhauled. Instead of being an alligator man, he could just be freakishly ugly and really built. If I'm remembering right, I think this is pretty much what Croc WAS when he first debuted. Just an ugly, unusually strong guy who was nicknamed "Croc" because of his deformities. Then, they just gradually started portraying him more and more animal like, until they got to the current Crocodile-Man hybrid super monster that he is today. I think he worked well in Batman: TAS, and that portrayal was much more in line with what you're thinking than how he's portrayed now in the comics. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2010 15:07:17 GMT -5
Yep, that's the way I like him. "It was a really big rock!"
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Post by Smithee of Zur-En-Arrh on Apr 27, 2010 15:48:34 GMT -5
You're a weird guy, Jason. Maybe it is my youngaucity speaking, but I love a lot of those whackball things.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2010 16:07:40 GMT -5
I'd be satisfied if I could just be EIC for a standalone, "realistic" Batman series. Let everyone have their cornball superhero tropes in the regular universe while I write Ultimate Batman.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2010 16:11:21 GMT -5
You'd probably like Azzarello's "Joker" then, if you like a more realistic approach to Batman. Croc is basically a big black guy with a skin disorder, etc.
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Post by MRSKELETON on Apr 27, 2010 17:24:05 GMT -5
Ultimate Batman has already been written. It's called year one, and you can't beat it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2010 17:46:59 GMT -5
Ultimate Batman has already been written. It's called year one, and you can't beat it. So you forgot all about how Miller wrote Selina Kyle as a prostitute, I take it? Year One is good, and it definitely gets a lot of things right, but it's far from perfect. |
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Post by America Young Fusion on Apr 27, 2010 18:11:46 GMT -5
Isn't that on The Dark Knight Returns?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2010 18:17:32 GMT -5
It's there in addition to Year One. Miller is quite consistent with his views towards women.
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Post by thethird on Apr 27, 2010 18:25:17 GMT -5
To be fair, the incarnation of Robin in DKR was a girl, so it's not like every woman he writes is a prostitute.
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Post by MRSKELETON on Apr 27, 2010 18:34:37 GMT -5
She was actually pretending to be a prostitute to get close to a mob boss.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2010 18:45:21 GMT -5
She was actually pretending to be a prostitute to get close to a mob boss. That's a retcon, and the original works make absolutely no mention of that plot point. - edit - It also doesn't change the fact that he portrayed Selina as a prostitute in DKR. I'd say another good example would be Leonidas's wife in 300. The plot just wouldn't have been complete without her getting raped. |
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Post by Pitchfork on Apr 27, 2010 19:12:49 GMT -5
You'd probably like Azzarello's "Joker" then, if you like a more realistic approach to Batman. Croc is basically a big black guy with a skin disorder, etc. Yessss. Would you like my copy, Jason? I need to clear up some shelf space for all the Secret Six trade paperbacks I just ordered. |
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