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Post by dooz on Jul 3, 2011 1:25:17 GMT -5
I quit smoking for a month. It was only the first 3 days that are hard and it's really easy after that. What I did was I went from a pack a day to a half a pack one day, then from a half to a quarter and so on. Then when I was on one cig a day I quit altogether and was fine up until I found out that I didn't have lung problems and was actually just experiencing panic attacks from the lawsuit I was involved in. Then I stopped caring.
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Post by robertagilmour on Jul 3, 2011 8:02:15 GMT -5
I've never smoked or drank anything ever, but the thing i've never understood about drinkers is how they can look down at smokers because I would sure as hell rather spend my time with smokers than drunk people. I think most smokers respect your space and try not to fog you up with it.
I'm not sure if this will help anyone (it might actually seem insulting next to your problems) but life is often made easier, healthier and cheaper by giving up as many things as you can. I try to think of everything I do and think of the things that arent making my life better and try give them up.
I've said no to alcohol, tobacco, drugs, tea and coffee my whole life, but then I gave up fizzy drinks, candy/sweets, chocolate (unless it is a bakery thing like a muffin, cake or even chocolate yogurt, all of which I love too much). I'm thinking up giving up on crisps. The thing that makes this all easier is realising how little I enjoy these things now, whenever I get the craving for these things and give in, they always disappoint.
The really difficult thing for me is time management, I have no problem with appointment and job hours, but getting up at the right time, spending my time wisely and doing things in a timely fashion is hard. I spend long times getting lost in things in the internet that I shouldnt pursue for so long and I daydream, hesitate and procrastinate something awful. I've got so much stuff to do and if I could get out of this, I think I'd be a abnormally happy guy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2011 14:36:53 GMT -5
Regardless of a smoker's concern for the people around them, there's no escaping the cloying stench that permeates a room where a person is smoking. It gets in the walls, on the furniture, in your clothes and your hair. It's just disgusting. Alcohol doesn't really do that.
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Post by robertagilmour on Jul 3, 2011 15:03:38 GMT -5
That is true when I'm inside at the house of a friend and the smell takes 2 days to leave my clothes, but outside it's usually okay. Quite a few smokers automatically go outside to smoke, not just because of the indoor smoking ban, but even from their own homes. But I couldnt say if that is the norm.
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Post by Weasel on Jul 3, 2011 16:06:09 GMT -5
Regardless of a smoker's concern for the people around them, there's no escaping the cloying stench that permeates a room where a person is smoking. It gets in the walls, on the furniture, in your clothes and your hair. It's just disgusting. Alcohol doesn't really do that. With certain types of alcohol (beers and lagers, mainly), I can smell the hops from the whole room away. I guess I'm just sensitive to the smell, but damn, I know when someone's got a beer open. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2011 16:14:25 GMT -5
Not sure about that, but people do stink when they spill beer on their clothes, or when they've drank a lot and it's all over their breath. I'd still say it's a big difference from the stench that comes from smoking, though. My SNES is yellow from my mother smoking when I was a kid. That just ain't right.
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Post by Jave on Jul 3, 2011 16:58:48 GMT -5
@ azazel:
I can't stress enough how astoundingly irresponsible it is to actually advocate that kind of advice to others.
It's not to say that there aren't people who can just up and decide to break an addiction, I knew a girl who was addicted to cocaine, and just decided one day that she didn't want to do it anymore, and that was that. Some people are like, that, but many aren't.
The problem with your argument isn't that you're giving ineffective advice, per se, it's that you're giving advice that has been shown to be one of the least likely to work. Your tone, and not-so-subtle implication that "you could do it if you really wanted to" is, frankly, dangerous. Many are the addicts who convince themselves that it's okay to keep using because, even though they know it's bad for them, they can stop whenever they want.
Lastly, it bears repeating, that smoking cessation methods are additive. They don't cancel each other out. Going with the inhaler, or the patch, or the gum, or even just consulting with a doctor and/or support group on a regular basis doesn't magically take away the need for individual willpower. It's all about improving your chances, and everything you do on top of simply deciding to quit add to your chances of success.
If you don't need the assistance, having it anyway does no harm.
If you don't have the assistance, needing it puts you right back where you started.
There's no downside to getting help, and there's no upside to not getting help.
There's just no logical reason to quit cold turkey.
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Post by muteKi on Jul 3, 2011 17:25:04 GMT -5
My SNES is yellow from my mother smoking when I was a kid. That just ain't right. But a lot of SNES units were made such that they end up yellowing over time anyway due to the quality of the plastic; I don't think smoking had anything to do with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2011 17:29:18 GMT -5
My SNES is yellow from my mother smoking when I was a kid. That just ain't right. But a lot of SNES units were made such that they end up yellowing over time anyway due to the quality of the plastic; I don't think smoking had anything to do with it. First I've heard of this. None of the people I knew growing up had yellow machines, but who knows...I'm sure it didn't help. |
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Post by ldorado on Jul 3, 2011 18:07:40 GMT -5
I have NOTHING against smokers. I don't smoke myself, though my dad does and my grandparents are chain smokers. It's the one psychological satisfying habit that does not mind-alter you like alcohol.
As for the whole Destroy All Smokers campaign, I feel it's all a bunch of Communist garbage. For reference, look for the short story "The Last Smoker" by a famous Japanese novelist.
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Post by muteKi on Jul 3, 2011 21:29:30 GMT -5
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Post by ldorado on Jul 4, 2011 8:58:11 GMT -5
By the way, how long do nicotine withdrawal symptoms last at a time? In something I'm writing, I thought of have a mecha pilot who smokes to deliberately withdraw shortly before combat so that he goes into an angry frenzy mode when fighting.
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Post by kitten on Jul 5, 2011 21:14:07 GMT -5
As for SNES's going yellow - yeah, as muteki said, it has nothing at all to do with smoking. I thought it did as a child, too, but it definitely doesn't, it's all in the plastic of certain models.
As for "drinking vs smoking" - drinking in moderate amounts is proven to actually be good for your heart and keep you alive longer. Smoking has zero health benefits and a tremendous list of health detriments that has been objectively proven to shorten lifespans. Drinking is a commonly social event often associated with parties and good times, smoking is often considered anti-social and done away from others. Smoking is heavily addiction forming. Many people casually drink and it is considerably less chemically addictive. Smoking has a negative chemical effect detrimental to the health of anyone nearby the smoker, and the act of smoking causes stains and unpleasant odors to permeate hair, clothing and the area around the smoker. Drinking causes no harm to anywhere nearby the drinker, and no harm to anything nearby the drinker (sure, the drunk person can cause harm, but that's the person doing that, not the substance).
So, I mean. Seriously. You ask why drinkers look down on smokers? Did you even stop to think about that for a second? There are many obvious reasons. I'm not saying that drinking doesn't have harmful effects, but it has considerably less than smoking and can be done both healthily and responsibly.
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Post by Pitchfork on Jul 5, 2011 21:33:59 GMT -5
By the way, how long do nicotine withdrawal symptoms last at a time? In something I'm writing, I thought of have a mecha pilot who smokes to deliberately withdraw shortly before combat so that he goes into an angry frenzy mode when fighting. I don't think it would make him fight better at all. He'd be twitchy and have a hard time focusing. Besides, it doesn't really work like that. It's a psychological craving, not a physical one. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 21:36:32 GMT -5
Very enlightening, thanks for the links! Yeah, I never ran across anyone else as a kid who had a yellow SNES, but I guess this is a real thing. |
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