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Post by shido on Jun 10, 2006 18:30:50 GMT -5
Succubus you are right, RPGs should use more mature women. But there are still some great mature female characters that are worth mentioning. First of all, like you said, is Lenneth from VP. Lenneth is one of the best heroes in any game in history, female or male. There is also Lucia from the Suikoden series. In Suikoden 2 Lucia is wild and reckless, seeking for revenge and trying to secure her homeland by any means necessary. In Suikoden 3 Lucia got more mature, she become a mother, she become calm and calculated and more reasonable. This is what they called a well developed character, and she's 30. Another great female character is Miang from Xenogears. While not a character in your side, she's still one of the best characters I have seen. the way she's frightening everybody with no "Muhahaha" or "I will kill this and this and this" and the way she's manipulating Ramsus so wisley making her a one damn interesting characters and far from being some stupid evil witch.
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Post by shido on Jun 10, 2006 18:58:00 GMT -5
I'm really tired of this whole 16-year-old-kid-that-saves-the-world-from-a-demon RPGs already. When will we have an RPG with a REAL human as a last boss, maybe a political leader or a psychotic person that is taking over a country or city. No demons, no monsters and no alternate dimensions crap. I think the story about a stupid ambitious human that tries to revive a god/demon to control it, but when the demon/god wakes up it turns against its 'master' (no!, how dare he?) and its up to the 16 year old cast to slay this uber powerful demon/god... BUT LET'S HURRY UP AND KILL HIM BEFORE HE GETS ALL HIS POWER BACK OR WE WON'T HAVE A CHANCE!! is really played out by now. You need to play Suikoden 2, and as soon as possible. Oh wait, play Suikoden 1 first so you could truly understand and enjoy Suikoden 2.
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Post by ReyVGM on Jun 10, 2006 21:13:06 GMT -5
I have. I was generalizing, but I know there are games not so unreal.
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Post by Discoalucard on Jun 10, 2006 23:06:18 GMT -5
In general the Suikoden games prove a lot of gaming cliches wrong and yet they still tend to get mediocre reviews pretty much everyone. I find that pretty strange.
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Post by Shinigami on Jun 12, 2006 19:48:02 GMT -5
One thing I've noticed and that bothers me in recent RPGs is the "hero gets a girlfriend" plot/subplot. Why is there a love story in the game? It doesn't need to be there. Going back to FF7 and 8, Tiffa and Rinoa are there merely so they can be love interests to Cloud and Squall. They're not real characters. I guess you could say that it's been a fixture of Final Fantasy to have a love plot since FF4. But in all fairness, in that game the love was already there before the start of the game's story. In FF5 Butz gets accused of having the hots for Lenna (lol fan translation). In FF6 the main character is Terra, who has no love interest at all (though it could be argued that there is no main character since later in the game you can choose who you want to lead the party, and in the second part Celes becomes the main character and she does have a love interest). But it's in FF7 and on when the love story really gets in the way. Not that this is something exclusive to Japanese storytelling. In plenty of American movies there is a stupid love plot that doesn't need to be there. I think the emoness comes from padding out the love story. Animes do the same thing; two characters like each other, but neither will make a move, and it stays like this for episodes on end. And since the viewer is omnipresent and knows what both characters are thinking, it can get on your nerves. Another thing is that there is no real conflict that gets in the way of their love, no rival going after the same girl, no reason why the two can't be together, so why the heck are they brooding?
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Post by jameseightbitstar on Jun 12, 2006 22:54:34 GMT -5
First thing, and this is a pet peeve of mine: The plural of anime is "anime," not "animes." The same rule applies to the word "manga."
Now, I'm not exactly an FF7 fan but I honestly thought Cloud's attraction to (and history with) Tifa was kind of important. The way I read the game was that it was ultimately because of her that Cloud stuck with Avalanche long enough to realize Sephiroth was still alive.
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Post by MRSKELETON on Jun 13, 2006 0:45:11 GMT -5
Cloud was fuckef rom the getgo. The way i see it is eventually tifa is going to get fed up with him being such a whiner. FF7 really didn't need the love subplot. It kinda had sense in FF8 and FFX.
But i don't like it in games like DDS or ToS
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Post by YourAverageJoe on Jun 13, 2006 13:33:54 GMT -5
This would have happened, in my mind, to tales of symphonia, because the main character was a little bit dumb-founded and really quite bitchy, his sidekick was named Genis, planning on going on an adventure wearing a pure-blue shorts-and-shirts outfit who fought with something that looked like a ping-pong paddle, and a girl who used a chackram but didn't do shit otherwise. The whole game could have gone to hell with it's weak and annoying plot, but it had a pretty damn good fight system that I really liked, so it was more of an adventure game to me than an RPG. But you don't always get that lucky... An extreme example of a company trying this would be the Megaman Battle Network series. The wierdest of which is no. 4, I really am not lying when I say this: It's got less plot than a NES action game, but it introduced the most fun innovations to the NetBattle system. I played through it, twice, not something I did with any other Battle Network game, then again, it's pretty short.
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Post by Shinigami on Jun 13, 2006 16:01:30 GMT -5
First thing, and this is a pet peeve of mine: The plural of anime is "anime," not "animes." The same rule applies to the word "manga." Hey, at least I didn't use "Japanimation".
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Post by Neo Rasa on Jun 14, 2006 7:52:11 GMT -5
Japanimation? You mean animes about ninjas that are based on mangas?
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Post by Shinigami on Jun 14, 2006 16:00:29 GMT -5
No, I mean a stupid word that just sounds stupid. I mean, we don't go around calling American cartoons "Americanimation" now do we?
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Post by Neo Rasa on Jun 14, 2006 19:23:16 GMT -5
I was being sarcastic.
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Post by jameseightbitstar on Jun 14, 2006 20:26:32 GMT -5
We should. "Americanimation" has a nice ring to it.
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Post by Shinigami on Jun 14, 2006 21:50:05 GMT -5
I fail at sarcasm. (among other things...)
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