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Post by Turnip on Feb 6, 2012 0:16:55 GMT -5
just drudged through snowfly and that was godawful (never figured out the trick to it) in any case the tunnels between the town and snowfly are fantastic areas to grind for loot cause most of the monsters drop hagane armor!!and the best tip with enemies that use multi hit magic spells like dragons is to rush in as soon as you can and get right underneath em.
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Post by megatronbison on Feb 6, 2012 5:25:36 GMT -5
Well, I haven't had the chance to get back to this since Friday night- the weekend was full of illness and stress for me (hurrah!). I aim to start this evening again- the last thing I had done was enter another underground area after killing some soldiers and a mage fellah who gave me some rod that will be great for combining with my undead slaying sword when I can do it... I must have spent an hour trying various weapon combinations in that second smithy place... :\ After that I headed into the second dungeon, saved my game, fought some annoying human type dwarf fellah's and then was instantly killed by another big Dragon and quit in shame This evening the Dragon shall fall! Joestar- yes I have been calling my weapons rather daft names- my sword for slaying the undead and evil type is called "Evil-Dead-Tateybread", my human and phantom slaying blade is "Humaphantor!!" and the Beast/Dragon killing blade is called "Beasdragonator". I also have a new one I am grinding up called "bleh" which somes up my grinding enthusiasm.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 7:19:43 GMT -5
I must have spent an hour trying various weapon combinations in that second smithy place... :\ After that I headed into the second dungeon, saved my game, fought some annoying human type dwarf fellah's and then was instantly killed by another big Dragon and quit in shame This evening the Dragon shall fall! Joestar- yes I have been calling my weapons rather daft names- my sword for slaying the undead and evil type is called "Evil-Dead-Tateybread", my human and phantom slaying blade is "Humaphantor!!" and the Beast/Dragon killing blade is called "Beasdragonator". I also have a new one I am grinding up called "bleh" which somes up my grinding enthusiasm. That's exactly where I'm at megatron. I didn't have an edged weapon that I didn't want to ruin (just my superpowered human-slaying pigsticker) so I died horribly. His balls are mine next time. I also enjoy the weapon customization. I was at work for 12 hrs yesterday and was too burned out to play last night, I can't wait to play some more. I've been changing my weapon names each time, except for my undead-killing hatchet "Burnt Scrotum NM" (a Married With Children reference).
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Post by megatronbison on Feb 6, 2012 19:10:51 GMT -5
Okay I beat that Dragon I was on about - I'm kinda embarassed by my methods though. As my Dragon killy weapon was a piercing one it was doing feck all damage so in the end I cast the armour buffer and ended up reflecting his breath attack back at him for the better part :\ I was chaining up damage on his head but even then it wasn't doing anywhere near the damage he was doing to himself via reflecting his own attacks back at him...So...was that a cheaty method or the right way to go about things? :\
edit: Well, I soldiered on a little bit more- defeated another two bosses- the last of which was an Ogre. He was quite easy but the flame genie? *gruh* I couldn't get that reflect timing down at all :\ Wasted valuable items beating him. Oh yeah, I keep getting HP up bonuses for defeating bosses- some Strength up ones would be nice ¬_¬ Bed time now though- will give it another blast after work tomorrow.
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Post by xerxes on Feb 6, 2012 22:46:06 GMT -5
This game is nerve-wracking! Whenever I run into a tough miniboss type enemy, I try to run back to the save point ... only to discover that each room has exponentially harder enemies. I mean, seriously.
So for that reason I passed up the ghost just before the lizard men. What's he guarding?
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Post by Feynman on Feb 7, 2012 0:17:09 GMT -5
edit: Well, I soldiered on a little bit more- defeated another two bosses- the last of which was an Ogre. He was quite easy but the flame genie? *gruh* I couldn't get that reflect timing down at all :\ Wasted valuable items beating him. Oh yeah, I keep getting HP up bonuses for defeating bosses- some Strength up ones would be nice ¬_¬ Bed time now though- will give it another blast after work tomorrow. You shouldn't have had to resort to reflecting magic to defeat the fire elemental. Are you exploring all the rooms? By the time you fight the fire elemental, you should have found the following: 1. A Salamander Ring, which can be equipped to reduce the amount of fire damage you take. 2. An Undine gem, which can be inserted into a weapon to increase its water elemental power (or into a shield to increase water elemental defense). 3. The Frost Fusion spell, which gives your weapon a HUGE increase in water elemental power. By equipping one of your weapons with the Undine gem, casting Frost Fusion on yourself and Degenerate on the elemental, you should be able to beat the crap out of it with physical attack chains easily without having to resort to reflecting magic. This is important, because before long you'll be fighting elementals as regular enemies. A few things to remember that will make this game much easier: - The Degenerate spell reduces an enemy's strength, but strength also affects damage resistance! Thus, Degenerate will not only reduce the amount of physical damage a target deals, it will make them take more damage as well! - The spell that increases your equipment's power (can't remember what it's called right now) doesn't only increase your defense. It improves ALL of your equipment parameters, both for your armor and your weapons. It will increase your attack as well as your defense. - You can only combine items in a workshop, but you can take weapons apart, put them together, and change gems anywhere, even in the middle of a boss fight. That means you should always be able to equip any gems necessary to boost your attack and defense. - Elemental damage is kind of a big deal. Equipping the proper elemental gems and casting the right elemental buffs when fighting a boss can increase your damage by massive amounts, and make a seemingly impossible fight laughably easy. Also, remember that elements oppose each other. You don't want a fire element weapon when attack a fire elemental, you want a water element weapon! Remember, gems and buffs/debuffs are really important. If you come across an enemy that seems extremely difficult, some combination of buffs, debuffs, and gems will make the fight much easier. As long as you stick to only three or four dual-classed weapons, your weapon parameters will increase as you ply the game normally, and you should never have to resort to grinding to increase your weapon power.
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Post by Snarboo on Feb 7, 2012 1:08:46 GMT -5
The Galious podcast is now available! By "now" I mean it was available on the 2nd and I forgot to update the thread link. :x Still chugging through this. I'll post more tomorrow when I'm not as tired.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2012 1:09:31 GMT -5
Hm...hey feynman, where was the undine gem? I guess I missed that. Luckily I grabbed the frost fusion spell before I fought the fire elemental, so it wasn't too bad.
BTW, anyone found any more dummies? The only one I've found was the human training dummy right after the minotaur. One more thing, you get items if you manage to "kill" the dummy (do enough damage to it), so give it a try!
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Post by Feynman on Feb 7, 2012 1:35:59 GMT -5
Hm...hey feynman, where was the undine gem? I guess I missed that. Luckily I grabbed the frost fusion spell before I fought the fire elemental, so it wasn't too bad. I think it's in a chest just before either the Fire Elemental, or the Wyvern. I know you can get one sometime before the Fire Elemental fight, but I don't remember exactly where. If it isn't in your gem inventory, check any weapons you have in your inventory or in storage... often weapons found in chests or special weapons dropped by enemies come with useful gems already equipped. As a general rule, Vagrant Story tends to give you element gems/buff spells shortly before you have to fight a boss or midboss that has a weakness to the element.
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Post by megatronbison on Feb 7, 2012 5:07:28 GMT -5
You shouldn't have had to resort to reflecting magic to defeat the fire elemental. Are you exploring all the rooms? By the time you fight the fire elemental, you should have found the following Yeah I did find those items- right after I had accidentally stumbled into the boss fight
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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Feb 7, 2012 8:14:00 GMT -5
Aww man, I've not done any more in this since posting last. I blame the DOS recommendations thread for being distracted. That and the atmosphere in this requires some pretty forceful determination to get into.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2012 11:37:00 GMT -5
feynman: Thanks! Ironically when I backtracked this morning I found the chest that I missed, and there it was. Did anyone find any skills/chains that worked well against Ogre? I did enough damage per attack against him but he seemed pretty resistant to chain attacks. I didn't try phantom pain on him though...damn. Aww man, I've not done any more in this since posting last. I blame the DOS recommendations thread for being distracted. That and the atmosphere in this requires some pretty forceful determination to get into. That's a good way to describe it. You really need to shut everything out to get the most enjoyment out of the game. It's taking a lot of effort on my part since I like to play Hulu or Netflix in the background, and you need to make sure you're not accidentally using the wrong weapon (I unfortunately have lots of short swords), or need to strategize which attack/defense skills are best for the situation (which often changes between rooms). I don't want to jinx it but I'm trying to figure out what made me hate on the game all these years. It's going a lot smoother than I remember.
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Post by xerxes on Feb 7, 2012 22:42:39 GMT -5
If there's one thing I don't like about this game (and I am liking it a lot so far) it's that I always feel like I'm doing something wrong.
I guess I'll go back to the beginning and beat up that dummy to get whatever it is you get from it, since I feel like I need some more chain techniques anyway.
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Post by Snarboo on Feb 7, 2012 23:43:46 GMT -5
If there's one thing I don't like about this game (and I am liking it a lot so far) it's that I always feel like I'm doing something wrong. Yeah, I feel the same way, especially now that I've gotten past the Snowfly Forest. The game really picks up in difficulty from there, and I'm running into enemies I can barely damage without investing heavily in debuffs, buffs and chain arts. I've invested in a few more chain arts, two of which are absolutely broken when used together. Crimson Pain dishes out another 100% damage at the cost of 30% of that damage hurting you, while Raging Ache deals 10% of the health you don't have as damage. It's easy to see how you can combine these two for maximum effect, and they even chain off each other very easily! I haven't played too many games that reward you for hurting yourself, but that's Vagrant Story for ya'. The story has really taken a few twists and turns since defeating *SPOILERS* Duane's brother and the armor he summoned in the forest. I'm really curious what Sydney is up to, and the story is told in a very interesting, if convoluted, way. Right now I'm heading towards Undercity East after clearing out B2 of the Abandoned Mines. Speaking of which, somehow I managed to get through the timed sequence on my first try. I'm very glad I did, because I decided to go back and see if I could explore it only to find nothing but a quick death.
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Post by megatronbison on Feb 8, 2012 5:32:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I feel the same way, especially now that I've gotten past the Snowfly Forest. The game really picks up in difficulty from there, and I'm running into enemies I can barely damage without investing heavily in debuffs, buffs and chain arts. Boy am I not looking forward to that- I find that the game is already kinda slow as it is with the constant weapon changing - I think I may need to follow your example and abuse the chaining/hurting yourself method before I lose the will to live Didn't get a chance to look at this yesterday anyway- have had to do some preparations for a gig in Copenhagen on Friday so I may not get back to it for a while...
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