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Post by michiyoyoshiku on Oct 7, 2006 19:00:00 GMT -5
The Genesis DID have a faster processor (blast processing may have been just another buzzword, but it was still faster), making it good for LOTS of sprites on screen (Sonic dropping rings is a good example) while the SNES had a better video processor and sound chip, so it had more colour in its games and sounded better. I don't see how you can't play around with those facts. Sonic 3 looked as good as any SNES game and 32x games looked amazing
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Post by necromaniac on Oct 7, 2006 19:20:41 GMT -5
....Sonic 2 looked better than Sonic 3 imo
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Post by michiyoyoshiku on Oct 7, 2006 19:35:12 GMT -5
I think Sonic 3 and Knuckles is just about perfect.
Sonic 2 is too easy to be perfect that or I just have it memorized.
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Post by kyouki on Oct 7, 2006 20:33:24 GMT -5
....Sonic 2 looked better than Sonic 3 imo I agree... I feel that Sonic 2 is the best looking (and sounding) Genesis game. Sonic 2 took full advantage of the Genesis hardware... very colorful and plain, yet pleasing to the eye. Sonic 3 tried too hard... it looks so gritty and too detailed and the Sonic sprite is this weird shade of blue.
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Post by YourAverageJoe on Oct 8, 2006 3:50:07 GMT -5
Not every Genesis game is a Sonic, you know. The fast processor meant more tension in shooters, beat-em-ups, and shoot-em-ups. The SNES' vid capabilities meant Mode 7 effects, lots and lots of Mode 7 effects, this made it more attractive to make RPGs for, since they tend to be story heavy and some disasters and escapes could use a semi-3D perspective for a more "dramatic" effect. Also world maps.
I'd like to add that Sega didn't have Sonic 2 or 3 at launch, so what cards could they play out then? Besides having actual shading, of course.
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Post by michiyoyoshiku on Oct 8, 2006 8:18:41 GMT -5
Not every Genesis game is a Sonic, you know. The fast processor meant more tension in shooters, beat-em-ups, and shoot-em-ups. The SNES' vid capabilities meant Mode 7 effects, lots and lots of Mode 7 effects, this made it more attractive to make RPGs for, since they tend to be story heavy and some disasters and escapes could use a semi-3D perspective for a more "dramatic" effect. Also world maps. I'd like to add that Sega didn't have Sonic 2 or 3 at launch, so what cards could they play out then? Besides having actual shading, of course. I think the early Genesis Sega worked with their arcade ports. Launching with Altered Beast as a Pack in was dumb they should've made Revenge of Shinobi a Pack in or did that come later on?
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Post by sfchakan on Oct 8, 2006 9:00:47 GMT -5
According to a Wikipedia article on launch titles, here's what the US Genny had @ launch:
So... yeah, out of those games, Altered Beast did seem like the best option at the time. Man, if they would have chosen Last Battle, the Genny would have had quite a fight!
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Post by YourAverageJoe on Oct 8, 2006 13:50:57 GMT -5
Thunder force is a little more attractive to me than Altered Beast, it's just that fun! Space Harrier could be a little too freaky for your average gamer of the time, so that wouldn't be a good choice.
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Post by michiyoyoshiku on Oct 8, 2006 15:26:53 GMT -5
Imigine the ads they could have had for Last battle if it was bundled for the genesis:
ATHATATATATATATATATATATA
If you Still have an NES You're already dead
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Post by dartagnan1803 on Oct 8, 2006 17:03:56 GMT -5
Remember the PSX ad If you still want a Saturn your head is in uranus? Genesis does what Nintendon't! Why do all these ads have to be so condescending to the competition, why can't they just each show their own strengths? Because effective competition doesn't involve something so pusserific and dry. Direct competition is always effective. It's still done today, but mostly with miscelanous products (our feminine pads/toilet capsles absorb more crap than [insert other brand here]). Nintendo had rather condecending and DRY magazine ads in place to combat the Genesis. In any case, the Saturn was awesome, and to this day Still has more worthwhile titles than the Xbox and N64 combined. I'd count the PSX in there as well, but I'm jaded and don't consider the Squeenix contributions as significant as others might.
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Post by vysethebold on Oct 8, 2006 17:24:11 GMT -5
Well getting back to the topic... a lot of the games so far recommended are expensive ones. While I have Panzer Dragoon Saga (got it on eBay a while back pristine for only $100 when normally more because the guy listed it stupidly) and Christmas Nights (I still have no idea why I only payed $20 for it), I have to say you should go after some easy to find, cheap games for the system that are very enjoyable and work your way to expensive and import games. The first two Panzer Dragoon games are pretty cheap and easy to find and you will probably love them. For a great platformer if you like Dynamite Headdy or Ristar, I would get Astal. It's a little easy at first but the music, animation, and graphics are amazing. Also, Nights even in the special edition with the 3D controller is pretty easy find and cheap. For a shooter I would say go with Darius Gaiden which I think is almost as good as G Darius for PSX. Then for a good 3D fighting game go with Virtua Fighter 2 and Fighting Vipers. Don't waste your time trying to track down any of the SF Alpha or most Capcom arcade games (by that I mean the Generations collections) as almost all of those games were all perfectly ported to the PS2 in a couple of recently released collections in the US. The ones that didn't make it to the first Capcom Collection should be along in the next one as well. The only ones I would recommend finding are the Marvel Super Heroes one and the Japanese X-Men Vs SF. Finally, you'd be hard pressed for a more fun racing game than Sega Rally. You can pick it up really cheap, too.
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Post by ed on Oct 9, 2006 1:53:12 GMT -5
The "Genesis processor is faster, and that means faster games" line is mindless advertising pap from the Nintendon't campaign and people who continue to repeat it without qualification need to use their brains. Both systems had their unique points, but the essential truth is that with enough addon chips you could make the SNES do anything the Genesis could - and with more color at that. The Genesis, on the other hand, was configured out of the box able to play an FPS (such as Zero Tolerance), but these are unusual - even extreme - examples and shouldn't be taken as a baseline for comparison. In defense of the SNES, most of its work was done on the graphical chip - the regular processor just did what was left of the dirty work. A faster processor on the Genesis does not translate to more sprites onscreen. There's the oft-repeated claim that the Genesis does handle sprites "more easily" than the SNES (I'm not exactly sure what this means). As far as I can tell, the Genesis had a limit of 80 hardware sprites, while the SNES could deal with 128. I am not quite convinced that the Genesis could do Mode 7 in a game, but for that token I'm not sure that the stock SNES could do Sonic 3. In a way, both consoles are flawed. The Genesis should've (throwing economic considerations out the window) had more custom chips. The SNES should've had a better main processor (my guess is that they finalized the design before they made a final decision that NES backwards compatibility wasn't worthwhile). Personally, I feel the market would've been well served had Namco actually released a system with hardware scaling and rotation and all the other fancy features they had planned. Just imagine. Instead of having little cartridges, though, we've had to wait all these years for emulation or compilation packs. Space Harrier could be a little too freaky for your average gamer of the time, so that wouldn't be a good choice. Gamers had years to grow to know and love the original, and just about everybody who had a Sega Master System had After Burner (I must still have about five copies in the house). Personally, I'd rather have SHII than Last Battle, and Altered Beast...it's not a bad game, but I can't see myself buying it first (at the moment - a few years ago I had been pretty keen on hunting down the Mega Drive version, which never panned out). Saturn recommendations? Yes, Darius Gaiden is a good game. Love the soundtrack. Maybe Metal Black would appeal, as well.. I definitely think Elevator Action Returns is worth checking out, too.
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Post by ahnslaught on Oct 10, 2006 23:16:27 GMT -5
Bit off topic, but if you don't want to spring for Elevator Action Returns and Metal Black on Saturn, you can just get the $30 Taito Memories 1 for PS2 which has both and save yourself tons rather than shelling for the Saturn versions. Can't speak for the quality of the ports on the PS2, but EAR is awesome fun, and Metal Black is cool, though quite cheap from what little I played of it.
On topic, I gotta agree with vysethebold - I think it's smart to start with cheaper games for systems, and only invest in the heavy hitters after you know what you're getting into (You don't want to be regretting a $100+ purchase like PD Saga by expecting it to play like a completely modern game - remember, it was released almost 9 years ago.). As for good games, I think a good starter set would have to include Layer Section (Rayforce), Panzer Dragoon 1 and 2, Darius Gaiden, and Nights. These games will give you great challenge, all the while doing a pretty good job of showing off what the system can do in 2D and 3D.
Oh, and make sure to get the Pro Action Replay 4 in 1 cart, as someone else said on this thread. Essential!
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Post by michiyoyoshiku on Oct 10, 2006 23:26:32 GMT -5
Bit off topic, but if you don't want to spring for Elevator Action Returns and Metal Black on Saturn, you can just get the $30 Taito Memories 1 for PS2 which has both and save yourself tons rather than shelling for the Saturn versions. Can't speak for the quality of the ports on the PS2, but EAR is awesome fun, and Metal Black is cool, though quite cheap from what little I played of it. On topic, I gotta agree with vysethebold - I think it's smart to start with cheaper games for systems, and only invest in the heavy hitters after you know what you're getting into (You don't want to be regretting a $100+ purchase like PD Saga by expecting it to play like a completely modern game - remember, it was released almost 9 years ago.). As for good games, I think a good starter set would have to include Layer Section (Rayforce), Panzer Dragoon 1 and 2, Darius Gaiden, and Nights. These games will give you great challenge, all the while doing a pretty good job of showing off what the system can do in 2D and 3D. Oh, and make sure to get the Pro Action Replay 4 in 1 cart, as someone else said on this thread. Essential! I have Taito legends for XBOX where is 2 I NEED 2 RAYSTORM BITCHES RAYSTORM!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by sfchakan on Oct 10, 2006 23:26:45 GMT -5
If you're going for cheap, definitely grab Darius Gaiden, NiGHTS, Panzer Dragoon, Saturn Bomberman, and Virtua Cop 2. That'd be a fairly well-rounded variety of gameplay to start with.
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