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Post by justjustin on Mar 2, 2014 15:29:04 GMT -5
1CCing is a legit way of playing a game, I'm just not a fan of the elitism behind it. If most designers had intended you to be able to beat it on 1 credit, they would have disabled the coin slot after the first credit was put in. Even the best balanced games were designed with the notion that you would be putting credits into the machine at a constant rate. For what it's worth I didn't see many people continue in arcades unless it was a multiplayer game, and I went weekly to various ones. When someone dies they stand up and do something else then come back in a bit to see if the machine is still free.
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Post by Super Orbus on Mar 2, 2014 15:43:43 GMT -5
A well-designed game will keep people coming back to it. If you die to the same unfair forced death every time you play a game, you're unlikely to keep coming back and feeding in quarters. At best you might credit feed through the game once and then never play again. A well designed arcade game is just fair enough that you could improve a little bit each time, with enough persistence. For certain personality types at least, that will keep them coming back for more.
And yeah, most people probably don't sit on the game grinding for experience (as it were) for hours at a time. In an actual arcade setting, you're more likely to put in maybe a credit or two every couple of days.
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Post by loempiavreter on Mar 2, 2014 20:51:57 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong I love everyone's input on here, but personally I think some articles on hg101 would really benefit from a little bit more hands on with the game. In some articles it's painfully obvious that the author credit feed his way through the game and just doesn't have enough experience with the game itself. Which result somtimes in even inaccurate comments, like Rolling Thunder Riot. In that article the author definately didn't play with an arcade stick, so navigating the cursor smoothly might be a choir if you can't mash the fire button like on a arcade stick (let alone switch it to auto-fire). And it baffles me how anyone can say that having many enemy grunts on screen in beat'em ups is a bad thing?
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Post by Discoalucard on Mar 2, 2014 21:23:46 GMT -5
What's Rolling Thunder Riot?
If you're talking about Rolling Thunder, I guess I must have imagined all of those quarters spent in the corner of Barcade getting past those goddamned jumping fire things.
Unless you meant that Cabal-a-like Riot? Of course the author didn't play it with an arcade stick, who has ever actually seen that game in an arcade?
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Post by derboo on Mar 2, 2014 22:42:17 GMT -5
And it baffles me how anyone can say that having many enemy grunts on screen in beat'em ups is a bad thing? It is a bad thing if the game doesn't give you proper means for crowd control. Which is most of the time.
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Post by loempiavreter on Mar 3, 2014 2:18:35 GMT -5
Kamniari Kishi Riot by NMK (or apparently Tecmo). It's not that hard to hook up a arcade stick and configure it to MAME. Or buy the pcb, which while rare is far from impossible seen it multiple times on Yahoo Auction. You can also convert a Final Starforce PCB into Kamniari Kishi Riot by swapping roms.
Beat'em up games are build around crowd control... DD Crew for example is a game on which the hg101 article is a bit inaccurate about. I know at first it plays awkward, the fighting system is quite counter intuitive, there's a different strategy for controlling space then your average beat'em up. But if the author spend a bit more time on it and not approach it like Final Fight, the game becomes quite enjoyable (and imo one of favorite SEGA beat'em ups, although enemy variation definatly lacks).
It's not to be snobbish about, but to give the games behind them the proper treatment they deserve. It doesn't help that DD Crew get painted as a stinker, when there is more to it then the article sheds light on.
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Post by The Great Klaid on Mar 3, 2014 7:33:10 GMT -5
Just remember that SHMUP and BETUMP fans aren't the only ones with an article they don't agree with. Read the Breath of Fire article once.
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Post by derboo on Mar 3, 2014 7:52:35 GMT -5
Just remember that SHMUP and BETUMP fans aren't the only ones with an article they don't agree with. Read the Breath of Fire article once. Disagreeing is one thing, but I'd wager you'd be hard pressed to find an RPG community where people patronize the author for not seeing the One True Way to view the games.
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Post by Bobinator on Mar 3, 2014 8:02:54 GMT -5
It's not to be snobbish about, but to give the games behind them the proper treatment they deserve. It doesn't help that DD Crew get painted as a stinker, when there is more to it then the article sheds light on. Well, at some point, you eventually get into opinions and what the author personally thinks is enjoyable to play or not. There's not a lot you can do about that.
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Post by Super Orbus on Mar 3, 2014 14:31:47 GMT -5
Just remember that SHMUP and BETUMP fans aren't the only ones with an article they don't agree with. Read the Breath of Fire article once. Disagreeing is one thing, but I'd wager you'd be hard pressed to find an RPG community where people patronize the author for not seeing the One True Way to view the games. I think you underestimate the Internet.
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Post by Weasel on Mar 3, 2014 15:19:04 GMT -5
Clearly, klaid has not seen the competitive Pokemon community.
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Mar 3, 2014 15:29:49 GMT -5
Clearly, klaid has not seen the competitive Pokemon community. I know. Michael Vick took things way too far.
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Post by dooz on Mar 3, 2014 16:23:03 GMT -5
Clearly, klaid has not seen the competitive Pokemon community. I know. Michael Vick took things way too far. Hahahaha! I remember when that happened, my coworker at the time was defending Vick's right to abuse animals. It blew my mind.
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Post by The Great Klaid on Mar 3, 2014 17:22:49 GMT -5
Clearly, klaid has not seen the competitive Pokemon community. But Derboo was the disbeliever! Not I! I knew that hate resides in all corners of the internet! Because god help me I'm aware of those wankers. Also, you capitalize Klaid. I don't as a username, because it looks better as one word capitalized. But I don't call myself The Great for my health. In fact it should be KLAID!!!! More exclamation points are at your discretion. Less will get you banned. Right Kurt?
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Post by Weasel on Mar 3, 2014 18:52:30 GMT -5
I have never seen someone launch into such a tirade over a username.
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