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Post by kaoru on May 14, 2014 13:11:09 GMT -5
I'm not really sure you are changing an industry that stereotypes and sexualizes women for the better when your message is to tread guys just as bad. You are not making the framing of women any better just by making it equal opportunity. I don't even think having Fanservice of that kind in a game is bad per se, just that it really seems to be going quite overboard, and treating guys bad too does not make the treatment towards girls any better, just equaly bad.
Also, Catherine seemed like playing exactly into that Akiba/Otaku culture mindset. Both women in that game were plain awful and just playing into the "they destroy your fun and try to pin you down" mindset the guys that overuse the term "friend zone" to rationalize why a woman wouldn't want to go out with such a nice guy like you. Katherine lies about a pregnancy to make Vincent stay with her, and even the "free spirit" option Catherine after a mere one night stand goes all like "if you cheat on me, you are dead". I'm not even sure why two hot women would fight so much for a sorry looser like Vincent, besides that he is basicly the 30ish version of that demopraphic. I liked the game a lot more once it started to go into batshit insane anime territory, because when it tried to make a statement about modern relationship, it utterly dropped the ball of understanding how people or relationships work. And all the questions leading you into the different endings were strickt yes/no ones about stuff that really is not easily answered with a simple yes or no. I really don't get it when people start talking about Catherine like it is a deep deconstruction of relationship issues and adultery, because the game is way too dumb for that. Or maybe I've just been lucky about not being in relationships with absolute assholes that never should be in one.
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Post by wyrdwad on May 14, 2014 13:52:22 GMT -5
So will there be a demo for it? Will it be available on PSN? Is there obligatory touch controls? I will be offended if there's mandatory touch controls, I don't like to touch my screen. Not sure about a demo, but I don't think so -- not at release, anyway. Maybe somewhere down the line? It will be available on PSN, though, of course. And no, no obligatory touchscreen controls whatsoever. The only touchscreen support it has is an on-screen icon you can tap instead of pressing a button to perform a Unison Strip move. It's basically there so that Acquire could be like, "See? We're supporting your touchscreen, honest!" to Sony, without actually adding much of anything to the experience -- you'll still just end up using the button, more than likely. The thing is, we're not really changing the tone of the game one bit. It already has you beating the crap out of anyone and everyone -- male and female, young and old -- and stripping them down to their skivvies (or completely nude, albeit with censor lights). We're not adding violence toward men, since the game already had that from the start. What the game did, however, was reward you with a cut-in portrait for defeating and stripping certain women who were important to the plot... but ONLY the women. The men you defeated and stripped who were important to the plot still got shirtless speech portraits and shirtless/naked character models, but no cut-in portraits that you could use as wallpapers like with their female counterparts. So our choices were to leave the game as-is, remove the female portraits (which would be censorship, and which would make ME so angry that I wouldn't condone ANYONE buying our version of the game!), or add equivalent male portraits so that it's equally wrong for everyone. And given those choices, the last seemed the most obvious... and weirdly, to me, the most progressive. I think this is an important thing to have done, as I firmly believe that games should be allowed to be as raunchy, violent or reprehensible as they want to be -- but at the same time, I think games have been focusing way too much on violence and sexual content toward women. And the way I see it, if a game's going to be violent or sexual, it should be violent or sexual toward EVERYBODY. No playing favorites! Either don't be a violent/sexual game... or be a UNIVERSALLY violent/sexual game. -Tom
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Post by kaoru on May 14, 2014 13:56:10 GMT -5
Sorry, I guess I didn't make myself clear. I don't really even mind Akiba's Trip much. I figured it is somewhat tongue in cheek as soon as I saw the first shot of the japanese cover, since I could not for the life of me read that title font arangement as anything but "Akiba Strip 2".
I just felt that the "we change this industry for the better (because we tell them to sexualize men too)" statement was kind of silly ;P
It reminds me a bit of the story of that one boss of a small developement studio hanging a sexualized drawing of a woman in the main office, women going kind of "eh, must this be here" about it, and him hanging a gender switched version of it next to it going "there, now you can't complain anymore".
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Post by wyrdwad on May 14, 2014 14:04:46 GMT -5
Sorry, I guess I didn't make myself clear. I don't really even mind Akiba's Trip much. I figured it is somewhat tongue in cheek as soon as I saw the first shot of the japanese cover, since I could not for the life of me read that title font arangement as anything but "Akiba Strip 2". I just felt that the "we change this industry for the better (because we tell them to sexualize men too)" statement was kind of silly ;P No, that's perfectly fair! I honestly just feel that IS a change for the better, because I believe there's a place for games that sexualize/objectify people, and I don't think there's anything at all wrong with them existing. I just wish they'd stop focusing exclusively on women as the targets of their fetishy behavior -- which is why I think it's important that we've taken this first step by making one of our games nice and balanced, and I really want to see other publishers do the same. Sexiness (be it honest or puerile) should be for everyone, not just for those who are attracted to women! -Tom
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Post by Scylla on May 14, 2014 14:15:11 GMT -5
Video games are srs bsns. Clearly a game can't have any merit unless it's the video game equivalent of Schindler's List.
I think most of the bitching in this topic can be addressed with: "Learn what's out there. Play better/different games." 'Cause a lot of people are talking as if certain types of games or certain themes in games don't exist/haven't been accomplished, when uh... yeah they do/have.
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Post by Allie on May 14, 2014 14:18:18 GMT -5
Video games are srs bsns. Clearly a game can't have any merit unless it's the video game equivalent of Schindler's List. I think most of the bitching in this topic can be addressed with: "Learn what's out there. Play better/different games." 'Cause a lot of people are talking as if certain types of games or certain themes in games don't exist/haven't been accomplished, when uh... yeah they do/have. The diarrhoea of Anne Frank. Stealthily sneak past the Nazis, but watch out. Her irritable bowels tend to give her away.
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Post by wyrdwad on May 14, 2014 14:21:16 GMT -5
Video games are srs bsns. Clearly a game can't have any merit unless it's the video game equivalent of Schindler's List. I think most of the bitching in this topic can be addressed with: "Learn what's out there. Play better/different games." 'Cause a lot of people are talking as if certain types of games or certain themes in games don't exist/haven't been accomplished, when uh... yeah they do/have. The diarrhoea of Anne Frank. Stealthily sneak past the Nazis, but watch out. Her irritable bowels tend to give her away. I... would actually play that. That sounds so stupid, it almost has to be made now. See what you've done?! -Tom
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Post by Weasel on May 14, 2014 14:21:37 GMT -5
Well, nice going, the thread has been Godwin'd.
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Post by Allie on May 14, 2014 14:36:32 GMT -5
Well, nice going, the thread has been Godwin'd. Hey. Wolfenstein discussions start out auto-Godwin'd from the beginning, so it's not new territory for video games.
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Post by Joseph Joestar on May 14, 2014 14:42:14 GMT -5
Video games are srs bsns. Clearly a game can't have any merit unless it's the video game equivalent of Schindler's List. I think most of the bitching in this topic can be addressed with: "Learn what's out there. Play better/different games." 'Cause a lot of people are talking as if certain types of games or certain themes in games don't exist/haven't been accomplished, when uh... yeah they do/have. The diarrhoea of Anne Frank. Stealthily sneak past the Nazis, but watch out. Her irritable bowels tend to give her away. Is it too soon to have a Metal Gear game where Snake/Big Boss has to hide in an outhouse pit and two kids there tell him "Get out! This is our hiding place!" ? I almost got kicked out of the theater for laughing at that part in Schindler's List.
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Post by moran on May 14, 2014 14:44:14 GMT -5
Not at all. Not at all.
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Post by Allie on May 14, 2014 14:46:51 GMT -5
The diarrhoea of Anne Frank. Stealthily sneak past the Nazis, but watch out. Her irritable bowels tend to give her away. Is it too soon to have a Metal Gear game where Snake/Big Boss has to hide in an outhouse pit and two kids there tell him "Get out! This is our hiding place!" ? I almost got kicked out of the theater for laughing at that part in Schindler's List. Can the kids say it in the voice of Gollum?
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Post by kaoru on May 14, 2014 14:46:54 GMT -5
Sexiness (be it honest or puerile) should be for everyone, not just for those who are attracted to women! I can agree with that.
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Post by dooz on May 14, 2014 22:19:29 GMT -5
The diarrhoea of Anne Frank. Stealthily sneak past the Nazis, but watch out. Her irritable bowels tend to give her away. Is it too soon to have a Metal Gear game where Snake/Big Boss has to hide in an outhouse pit and two kids there tell him "Get out! This is our hiding place!" ? I almost got kicked out of the theater for laughing at that part in Schindler's List. I got mean-mugged by an entire audience of moviegoers when I went to the midnight opening showing of Passion of the Christ and burst out in laughter a few times. Not my fault that it was a bad movie.
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