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Post by kyouki on Nov 12, 2006 10:11:34 GMT -5
I love these kinds of collections, but only when they are done right. The correct way to go about it is to pack it full of games, add tons of bonus content (interviews, scanned manuals, artwork, etc), and maybe most importantly no awful filters on the graphics!! The Midway collections (well at least the first two) were excellent. Tons of content, a LOT of great games, and no blurry filters on the graphics (at least in the Xbox version). The Capcom collection was almost great, but there was a filter on the graphics. This collection interests me, but the fact that Phantasy Star 1 is not included sort of bugs me. I know it's not a Genesis game, but stil...
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Post by vysethebold on Nov 12, 2006 11:56:03 GMT -5
I emulate and get the collections. First of all, I only emulate games that I already own. It's a great way to get more out of games that take up a lot of space and a lot of the NES games benefit from save state. The collections though are great for multiplayer, especially since it really isn't as much fun to have 3 guys crowded around a computer. And they aren't expensive so I don't mind buying them if they have a good selection of games. I like them even better if I can get them for a portable system like the PSP, which beats my laptop for being travel friendly. The only stuff I don't buy is GBA ports of the Mario games. They charged a lot for those when they came out and I don't think they added enough stuff to really warrant the price for me to buy games that I already own 4 times over.
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Post by sideshow on Nov 12, 2006 14:10:02 GMT -5
The collection has the option for progressive scan.
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Post by michiyoyoshiku on Nov 12, 2006 19:19:24 GMT -5
The thing is..emulation is illegal, espcially when they release packs like this containing titles, people whine and justify themselves all day by saying *you can't get them anymore* (which I do as well) but if you can then it's very much illegal. Us Courts have said "if the means to play a game is obsolete and the game being played is ripped from theorignal source (ie a cart) it's legal.
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Post by kal on Nov 13, 2006 2:44:25 GMT -5
Us Courts have said " if the means to play a game is obsolete and the game being played is ripped from theorignal source (ie a cart) it's legal. If they renew the means, making it no longer obsolete I'm fairly sure that rules out the first portion of the ruling. Of course if you rip it from your original source (or as I'm not anal about it like those ridiculous anti-piracy organisations you at least own an original) then of course it's fine. I'm in no way against Emulation, I love it completely, it drives the industry forward by keeping the classics in the limelight and forcing people to do better plus they're fun. All I'm saying is stating there's no reason to buy this Anthology for the games because you can emulate the games is like suggesting that it's okay to download an old CD online even though the copyright holders issued a re-release and make it readily avaliable. Also if you bought the anthology then emulation would also be totally fine. All I'm trying to say is statements like these is why anti-piracy/emulation groups can actually have something legitimate to say. If the copyright holder does not let their IPs fade away into history and chooses to continue to use those rights and make them readily avaliable for purchase then emulation of them would be illegal. Take a look at 3d Realms, they're real bastards charging high prices (realitively) for their older games just to continue to hold deliberate constraints over their IPs...I don't actually approve of that since it's unfair I feel but it's their stuff.
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Post by YourAverageJoe on Nov 13, 2006 3:44:58 GMT -5
I really like emulation, it's a great way for me to get to know the classics and portable titles, and I really try to buy games that I like.
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Post by brianc on Nov 13, 2006 11:36:21 GMT -5
I love these kinds of collections, but only when they are done right. The correct way to go about it is to pack it full of games, add tons of bonus content (interviews, scanned manuals, artwork, etc), and maybe most importantly no awful filters on the graphics!! The Midway collections (well at least the first two) were excellent. Tons of content, a LOT of great games, and no blurry filters on the graphics (at least in the Xbox version). The Capcom collection was almost great, but there was a filter on the graphics. This collection interests me, but the fact that Phantasy Star 1 is not included sort of bugs me. I know it's not a Genesis game, but stil... I dunno about filters, but I prefer the Capcom Classics collection over the Midway Arcade Treasures despite the filters. Midway Arcade Treasures 2 has some games that turned out extremely poor like Primal Rage and Wizard of Wor (and I heard that the PS2 one has an overclocked Pitfighter and a slow Hard Drivin'. Pitfighter supposedly isn't overclocked in other versions and Hard Drivin' is overclocked in the GCN and Xbox versions). MAT1 has sound effects that are off sync in many games, though the games are still quite playable (though I heard Smash TV is off in the PS2 version. I have the GCN one and it plays fine in that one). None of the games in the Capcom Collection are unplayable. There are still sound problems, but, for the most part, not to the same extent as MAT 1. I also found the graphics in MAT 1 to be quite blurry and a bit small for some games. From what I heard, the PS2 SEGA Genesis Collection does have some extras. It has video interviews and unlockable arcade games like Altered Beast (seperate from the Genesis version), Zektor, Zaxxon, and Tac-Scan. Despite what I heard about the sound problems (which seem to be a given in recent Digital Eclipse collections), the arcade games alone have me interested in the SEGA Genesis Collection.
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Post by michiyoyoshiku on Nov 13, 2006 11:49:08 GMT -5
Us Courts have said " if the means to play a game is obsolete and the game being played is ripped from theorignal source (ie a cart) it's legal. If they renew the means, making it no longer obsolete I'm fairly sure that rules out the first portion of the ruling. Of course if you rip it from your original source (or as I'm not anal about it like those ridiculous anti-piracy organisations you at least own an original) then of course it's fine. I'm in no way against Emulation, I love it completely, it drives the industry forward by keeping the classics in the limelight and forcing people to do better plus they're fun. All I'm saying is stating there's no reason to buy this Anthology for the games because you can emulate the games is like suggesting that it's okay to download an old CD online even though the copyright holders issued a re-release and make it readily avaliable. Also if you bought the anthology then emulation would also be totally fine. All I'm trying to say is statements like these is why anti-piracy/emulation groups can actually have something legitimate to say. If the copyright holder does not let their IPs fade away into history and chooses to continue to use those rights and make them readily avaliable for purchase then emulation of them would be illegal. Take a look at 3d Realms, they're real bastards charging high prices (realitively) for their older games just to continue to hold deliberate constraints over their IPs...I don't actually approve of that since it's unfair I feel but it's their stuff. It's a vague law but it's stated. but I see what you mean.
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Post by klausien on Nov 13, 2006 16:57:49 GMT -5
Picked this one up yesterday on PS2 because I had to have a home conversion of Tac Scan and want to play through PSIV. Overall, it is very cool and well worth the $20, even considering the fact that I have 95% of the games on cartridge. Actually, $20 is a total steal.
One of the nicest things about it is that, unlike in the Sonic & Mega Man collections, the unlockables are easy to achieve. No need to leave the system on for days or suffer through incredibly difficult games (MMX2 I am looking at YOU!) to unlock what you want. It is also nice that they tell you explicitly how to unlock the games. Beats waiting for the updates on GameFAQs.
Emulation is solid, much like in the Treasure Box, only without any customization options aside from screen size and progressive scan. The games all have a filter applied, but they actually look quite nice and play perfectly. Sound is always an issue, especially with Genesis emulation, but aside from some weirdness with certain sound effects and the occasional drop out of certain channels, it comes across quite good. Sure beats the entirely redone sound on the DC collection. THAT was a travesty.
With this missing the Streets of Rage series, one would hope that Sega will dip into the classics again. They have a guaranteed sale right here if they do. I hope we get an "arcade perfect" Shinobi as a bonus next time. Being able to compare the home port and original arcade Altered Beast is geek heaven. Spend your cash to make it happen!
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