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Post by muteKi on Aug 2, 2014 1:42:57 GMT -5
When it comes right down to it, if the $2.50 game I downloaded from Steam really DOES turn out to be an "extended rental" then it's a longer time period for less money than some actual games that I have rented in the past.
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Post by Ike on Aug 2, 2014 11:23:09 GMT -5
I really don't understand the mentality that if you "own" a game that it's going to somehow exist forever as opposed to buying it digitally. Shit breaks. I mean really, are people planning to heirloom their SNES to their children or something?
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Post by loempiavreter on Aug 2, 2014 12:48:50 GMT -5
How many of those artists have the faintest shred of a hope of supporting themselves with their music? Virtually none of them, same as every other decade of human existence? Thats not true, lost of 60s musicians could support themselves without being big hitters (from what i've heard from obscure jamaican vocal groups, british acts when british invasion was a big thing and american soul and garage acts). Of course, most money was from playing live. As it is nowadays, my band main income is gigs (About 500 - 800 euro's a gig). Through my older band mates complain that nowadays you have to play in multiple bands to make enough for living, that wasn't always the case. I really don't understand the mentality that if you "own" a game that it's going to somehow exist forever as opposed to buying it digitally. Shit breaks. I mean really, are people planning to heirloom their SNES to their children or something? Of course, Working with arcade PCB's, i've pretty much learned iT the hard Way. Does not stop me Though from buying more, rather than emulation. Because of bad emulation with mame (Graphical glitches, freezes, missing parts from the game, different game rules) and also the urge to play them is bigger. But it's also the fact that sometimes the urge to play them can be years later. It's hoping everything is functioning at that moment. DRM is just another manifestation of the consuming mentality. And iT needs to stop stop somewhere. Not only games but consoles and smartphones are made to break so you but a new one. Even my bike from '46 holds up better and is more durable them bikes from 5 years ago.
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Post by Ike on Aug 2, 2014 22:00:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I definitely see the appeal of sturdy retro stuff. I mean I used to collect games myself (and I often want to start up again) and playing with a real console is definitely a different experience. But unfortunately, some of those things are just going to be lost to time whether you like it or not. It seems like a losing battle to me - enjoy what you can while you can.
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Post by deadguy2322 on Aug 3, 2014 1:51:07 GMT -5
How many people have actually encountered DRM as a problem? Like when has DRM been directly responsible for someone not being able to play a game? edit: as opposed to being a POTENTIAL problem I have a copy of King Kong for windows that I can't play since the DRM that Ubi used on it is a driver that doesn't function in windows 7. So, that is one example, I guess.
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Post by zellsf on Aug 3, 2014 1:55:55 GMT -5
I really don't understand the mentality that if you "own" a game that it's going to somehow exist forever as opposed to buying it digitally. Shit breaks. I mean really, are people planning to heirloom their SNES to their children or something? You can replace or repair stuff that breaks. You can't replace or repair PSN, Steam, XBLA if they break. And none of those have proven to last as long as physical items yet (I have 30 year old electronics that still work perfectly, and I'm sure lots of people have older stuff). Maybe physical items won't last forever, but I'm more confident they'll be around next time I want replay one of my favorite games than the distributor carrying them.
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Post by dooz on Aug 4, 2014 8:06:01 GMT -5
As long as there are copies of these games, floating around somewhere, then I'm not too bothered by all of this. What bothers me about certain digital distribution services is the potential of losing these games once the official servers are shut down. I guess you could say that the pirates are doing the world a favor, in that case.
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Post by Super Orbus on Aug 4, 2014 21:02:36 GMT -5
A lot of DLC is likely to become unavailable through legitimate channels in the not so distant future. I expect whenever Sony and Microsoft start to close down the online services for the PS3 and 360 will be kind of a litmus test for how people are going to react.
Steam can go on pretty much indefinitely (as long as Valve remains in business), but those console services aren't going to remain online forever.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 21:11:31 GMT -5
Absolutely no reason to not JTAG your 360 when that day arrives.
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Post by Super Orbus on Aug 4, 2014 21:13:53 GMT -5
Fear of incarceration?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 21:15:09 GMT -5
I have yet to hear of someone going to jail for modding their console. Maybe the actual people who get paid to mod them, but not their customers.
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Post by TheChosen on Aug 4, 2014 21:27:36 GMT -5
A lot of DLC is likely to become unavailable through legitimate channels in the not so distant future. I expect whenever Sony and Microsoft start to close down the online services for the PS3 and 360 will be kind of a litmus test for how people are going to react. I guess I should be worried, but I'm honestly more of interested to see how they're gonna handle this. And not just with DLC, but patches too which I think are more important than optional 2-dollar swimsuit for Kasumi-waifu. Speaking of which, original X-Box had some games with DLC. Is there a way to get a hold of those now?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 21:31:30 GMT -5
I believe that all got lost to the ether when support ended for it.
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Post by Super Orbus on Aug 4, 2014 22:16:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I think MS just gave XBOX users the finger on that one. That was a much smaller amount of content though. The amount of stuff available through Live for the 360 is huge. And I agree, patches are perhaps actually of greater concern than DLC.
At least for the 360 stuff like the jtag exists as an option. I don't really follow the scene. Is there anything similar for the PS3 even available?
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Post by zellsf on Aug 4, 2014 22:33:59 GMT -5
You can get original Xbox DLC through piracy.
JTAG is a old mod that no longer works(on 90% of consoles), it's RGH now, which works on just about any console.
PS3s can be modded if you're on a (by now) really old firmware. The piracy scene is sadly a bit inactive when it comes to DLC and digital games. There's a bit, but nowhere near a full archive.
They could easily stay up as long as Steam does, or longer. If they're remotely competent, they can minimize the maintenance cost on outdated console services and I think it would be preferable to a PR disaster.
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