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Post by Weasel on Sept 17, 2014 16:35:16 GMT -5
Maybe the copyright-based chat ought to stop, unless anybody else has any other useful advice for X-Pert.
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Sept 17, 2014 17:06:36 GMT -5
Fuck copyright law, and fuck what Nintendo thinks. Move to china then. They don't give a fuck. Hopefully you'll never own a business, so you won't be subjected to people stealing your property. Never change, Rey.
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Post by Ryzuki on Sept 17, 2014 19:15:18 GMT -5
I don't think Joe was being completely serious... even if he was there isn't any point arguing about it. Anyway, isn't that just with Nintendo? I believe I read at the Dolphin website that it's leagl if you own the game, but downloading roms from the net is another matter.
EDIT: Sorry Weasel... I missed the second page.
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Sept 17, 2014 19:30:52 GMT -5
I don't think Joe was being completely serious... even if he was there isn't any point arguing about it. Anyway, isn't that just with Nintendo? I believe I read at the Dolphin website that it's leagl if you own the game, but downloading roms from the net is another matter. EDIT: Sorry Weasel... I missed the second page. Yeah, but I shouldn't have been goofing around because games are serious business for some people.
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Post by ReyVGM on Sept 17, 2014 21:15:30 GMT -5
You mean you hang around a forum full of old school gamers, and some even that work in the industry, and you expect people that aren't serious?
If you were joking, then my mistake. But if you were serious, then you must have known that was not going to sit well with some people.
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Sept 17, 2014 21:39:58 GMT -5
You mean you hang around a forum full of old school gamers, and some even that work in the industry, and you expect people that aren't serious? If you were joking, then my mistake. But if you were serious, then you must have known that was not going to sit well with some people. Well, after the fact I did worry about possibly offending someone I respect; but seeing as you're the only one bitching and whining about my statement, I guess I was worrying about nothing. Get a life.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 21:47:21 GMT -5
X-Pert - I get all of my WiiWare stuff from torrents. The usual suspects will be able to provide you with what you're looking for. I ended up having to use the option in Dolphin to install the WADs to get them to work, though. Now if I could just figure out why Fatal Frame IV is giving me a black screen on Dolphin, I'd be set.
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Post by Weasel on Sept 17, 2014 21:54:09 GMT -5
You mean you hang around a forum full of old school gamers, and some even that work in the industry, and you expect people that aren't serious? Alright, alright. Jesus Christ. I'm gonna go ahead and warn both of you to stop going at each other's throats.
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Sept 17, 2014 23:35:40 GMT -5
Duly noted.
Ironically, piracy is going to be the only way WiiWare games and other Wii exclusive digital games are going to be preserved, thanks to the nature of digital download-only console games. So it's not ALL bad.
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Post by lanceboyle94 on Sept 17, 2014 23:49:59 GMT -5
Duly noted. Ironically, piracy is going to be the only way WiiWare games and other Wii exclusive digital games are going to be preserved, thanks to the nature of digital download-only console games. So it's not ALL bad. Exactly. Especially since there's a buncha stuff that's delisted. It's also great for region-exclusive stuff, like all of those Japanese-only Virtual Console Arcade releases by Namco. I still wanna see someone see how to crack DSiWare games, 'cause there's a bunch of them I wanna try out.
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Post by xerxes on Sept 18, 2014 0:07:08 GMT -5
Yes, as we all know, illicit possession of infinitely reproducible digital product by someone who already paid for an authorized copy is exactly like burglarizing someone's home or business.
ANYWAY. If anyone still wants a real answer to this question, in the United States that answer is "maybe."
Unless there's a law specifically prohibiting the reproduction of something for any purpose (or a law specifically allowing reproduction for any purpose) the only way you could know for sure if this is legal/illegal is if the U.S. Supreme Court heard a case involving exactly what you intend to do and specifically held it to be legal/illegal.
Otherwise, you're in the world of Fair Use. You won't know if your fair use argument works until you get sued. It's an affirmative defense to infringement claims, not a force field that protects you from lawsuits. There aren't many of those, btw.
When you download something, you're sort of reproducing it, or putting a new copy into the world. So the very act of downloading WiiWare game is arguably infringement. Plus, to the extent there is DRM to circumvent, the DMCA makes circumvention of access-control (but not copy-control) illegal. I think you're on even shakier ground if you torrent WiiWare games, because you're then helping to copy AND distribute, which further erodes whatever fair use argument you had.
However, government regulations are updated every three years to allow for situations that weren't considered by congress back in the 90s (to the extent they "considered" anything). One of these is pretty important, although it doesn't exactly affect normal end users:
Much as I like to think of my collection as an "archive," I doubt it is. Still, provisions like this can be read in conjunction with stuff like the old Betamax Supreme Court case, which was premised on the idea that recording TV shows to watch later ("timeshifting") is fair use. If you wait until the Wii is completely off the market, and you rip the games on your own, you're not untouchable, but at least you have a legal argument in addition to the standard ethical/philosophical crap. Far more important, however, is the very very small likelihood that anyone powerful will care at that point.
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Post by starscream on Sept 18, 2014 8:10:44 GMT -5
My understanding regarding the initial question of the OP is that you can make a backup of the Wii's memory (NAND-backup) to an SD-Card (perhaps also USB connected media), then use specific extraction programms to get whatever you want from there. And then possibly use with Dolphin.
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Post by ReyVGM on Sept 18, 2014 9:13:17 GMT -5
Well, after the fact I did worry about possibly offending someone I respect; but seeing as you're the only one bitching and whining about my statement, I guess I was worrying about nothing. Get a life. Probably because others who would complain haven't read the thread, or maybe they have learned how to ignore trolls? I have to ask them. Alright, alright. Jesus Christ. I'm gonna go ahead and warn both of you to stop going at each other's throats. Alright. I guess you're right. Every since Joestar joined, he has always liked to troll. Shame really, 'cause I bet he's a cool guy in real life. So I guess the best thing is to ignore the inane comments. /thread
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Sept 18, 2014 10:02:19 GMT -5
Rey, I've had some time to cool my head, and I'm going to reply in as friendly of a way as possible.
When you're dealing with factual and non-opinion stuff I think you're quite fascinating, and you've posted a lot of great information about lesser-known games and similar topics. And I respect the work you've put in at the VGMuseum.
But when it comes to your "op-ed" posts like the ones on this thread, you're incredibly condescending and petty to people like x-pert that just wanted some information and didn't deserve the passive-aggressive treatment. I don't know if you notice that or if that's a conscious choice. But what it did do is motivate me to troll you. So if you don't like the trolling that's fine; other people don't like the backhanded and arrogant comments, so I guess we're even.
As for the "get a life" comment, I could have worded it better; a better way of saying that would have been something along the lines of "don't take video games so seriously that you're missing the point of them."
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Post by Weasel on Sept 18, 2014 10:30:40 GMT -5
Since Joestar has pretty much come clean here, that leaves me with Rey: when I say to quit, that means to quit, not to get the last word. So please stop with the passive-aggressive crap. This is the last time I'm going to leave a warning in this thread. Please think carefully about what your next reply will be.
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